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Post by tIB on Nov 5, 2020 14:40:59 GMT
Tend to agree with this - modulatable LFOs is something I'm really missing in ae along with being able to slow them down. Ive wondered if the is a way to hack the osc to run at much slower rates? Big tip I've discovered for this - patch the end out of an env into its own gate! Then boom, CV controllable A/D - even more fun using 2 ENVs together, or adjusting with slew! Yup - it's why I have two x 2 envs and only one lfo. I still want a proper vclfo that goes slow though. |
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Post by dmoney2000 on Nov 8, 2020 2:52:22 GMT
I got two words:
Fu**ing MARBLES
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Post by funbun on Nov 11, 2020 16:49:37 GMT
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Post by MaxRichardson97 on Nov 12, 2020 15:50:26 GMT
Don't think this has already been mentioned (correct me if I'm wrong!) but I'd love a Morphagene-esque module. I've not tried the full fat eurorack module but always think it sounds amazing in whatever video it's in!
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Post by derp on Nov 14, 2020 17:15:20 GMT
I know I'm weird for this, but I like that there aren't many modules available to pick from. It keeps the system from getting unnecessarily gigantic as it tries to be everything to everyone. The current development speed to me is perfect.
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Post by funbun on Nov 15, 2020 22:05:07 GMT
Square wave version of SOLINA? Then everything 4ms has done since it's all open source! 4mscompany.com/ |
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Post by derp on Nov 16, 2020 1:30:40 GMT
Maybe not necessarily for the AE system, but whoever comes up with a reasonably priced Buchla clone first is going to have a corner on the market. I thought it was going to be Catalyst, but then Buchla bought them and turned them into the overpriced Red Panel modules. Myself and many others just want a conservatively priced 100 or 200 series-based system that doesn't cost as much as a house.
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Post by Lugia on Nov 16, 2020 22:47:13 GMT
Maybe not necessarily for the AE system, but whoever comes up with a reasonably priced Buchla clone first is going to have a corner on the market. I thought it was going to be Catalyst, but then Buchla bought them and turned them into the overpriced Red Panel modules. Myself and many others just want a conservatively priced 100 or 200 series-based system that doesn't cost as much as a house. The problem there is that when you say "Buchla", the first thing non-sonic that comes to mind is "expensive". Which is downright silly, when you consider that Don built the initial SFTMC "boxes" for less than $500. True, that's $500 in 1964 dollars, but even after compensating for inflation, we STILL should see a lot lower prices for Buchla gear. The problem seems to have arisen from the idiotic and inflationary "Vintage Synth" frenzy that caused skyrocketing prices back in the 1990s, when ANYTHING analog (and often, things that were being billed as "analog" that weren't) had its price jacked beyond belief...and certainly beyond any price that most working musicians could hope to afford. I still lay the blame for all of this at Mark Vail's feet, because it was the release of the first version of his "Vintage Synthesizers" book that was the clear and apparent point where the prices began to shoot into nosebleed territory! The book in of itself was/is a super-useful resource, but when he opted to put the "Synth Values" appendix in, with the values being defined by used synth brokers he was communicating with, he betrayed all of us. |
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Post by sycophante on Nov 17, 2020 10:14:25 GMT
Square wave version of SOLINA? Then everything 4ms has done since it's all open source! 4mscompany.com/I would definitely go for a tapografic! |
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Post by derp on Nov 18, 2020 17:53:04 GMT
Some more randomization would be awesome. Something like Mutable Branches to start with? It's open source and that cointoss algorithm is pretty awesome when attached to Grids.
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Post by Lugia on Nov 19, 2020 0:26:05 GMT
Some more randomization would be awesome. Something like Mutable Branches to start with? It's open source and that cointoss algorithm is pretty awesome when attached to Grids. And even better when you've got some comparators...that way, you can get your gate pulse for the Branches-ish thing off of LFO or EG level crossings. Awesome for conditional gating control! |
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Post by funbun on Nov 19, 2020 16:45:04 GMT
Some more randomization would be awesome. Something like Mutable Branches to start with? It's open source and that cointoss algorithm is pretty awesome when attached to Grids. And even better when you've got some comparators...that way, you can get your gate pulse for the Branches-ish thing off of LFO or EG level crossings. Awesome for conditional gating control! Yeah, comparators and trigger delays are what I really want. |
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Post by Morn Valley on Nov 29, 2020 22:05:25 GMT
I know I'm weird for this, but I like that there aren't many modules available to pick from. It keeps the system from getting unnecessarily gigantic as it tries to be everything to everyone. The current development speed to me is perfect. I'm new to the AE format and also a long time Eurorack user (when I started you could only buy Doepfer from EMIS Music in the UK!) and completely agree with this. Part of the reason I love AE is that every module does one thing and does it well and also allows me to easily DIY stuff without worrying about rail to rail power and other issues. I can also glance at every module in an AE system and know exactly what it does. Perfect! As much as I like modules like Morphagene and Marbles they are like entire systems in a single module and to learn how to use them you have to focus many hours on just those modules on their own. Combi-button presses, remembering menu functions without a screen, multiple modes and Easter eggs etc... Don't even get me started on Disting which you really have to approach as a Swiss army knife, decide what you want to use it for and stick to that. The manual currently clocks in at 114 pages so deciding on using it for another function means looking it up and relearning what it's ins/outs and controls do. When I get modules like that I have to shove them in a small 48HP case with a few other basic modules so I can learn them before migrating them over to my main system, it sometimes pulls my enjoyment away in the initial stages and feels a lot like work (it is). I hope that when the Clouds port comes over to AE that it's adapted and simplified in some way or made to feel like an AE module and I'm sure it will, that module took months of use for me to fully grasp in terms of all its modes, features and potential uses. I don't want to do that with AE. Theres also nothing to stop anyone from integrating these highly complex modules into AE by having a small Euro system next to an AE system and that's what I'll be doing at some point, but currently I'm having too much fun using the AE on its own for sound design. I feel that complex modules like that couldn't be ported over anyway, Morphagene is the price of a starter system. Partly that's because Tom Erbe spent years developing it, from his time spent creating sound hack in the 90's to reworking the original Williams Mix by John Cage, Louis and Bebe Barron by designing micro sound systems in digital, through to the design of the Phonogene and finally to Morphagene. Its a module that's a product of over 30 years of ideas, work and development. Theres an ace interview with him discussing this.I'm also a big fan of guitar pedals which I'm already starting to integrate using the 4I/O but I'm looking forward to the Phaser module that Robert has planned. I don't see AE as an alternative to Eurorack or cheap Eurorack, it's something else. A different thing, and I'm loving it. Finally I have a portable system, that's light, can run on batteries, use for sound design work, experimentation and simple DIY projects. Just trying to be honest and realistic about what's possible in the AE format, some of the suggestions on this thread are ace and simple like comparators and trigger delays but I don't really want overly complex modules with Street Fighter 2 Turbo like button combos to access stuff and they take years to develop which would take time away from developing other modules. I'd rather see stuff that isn't available anywhere else like the Algodrone or the the Solina. Keep up the awesome work Robert and the rest of the Tangible Waves team, whatever you have planned I'm sure it'll add value to the current lineup. I'm very happy with my decision to start an AE modular system and look forward to more modules with the same design approach I've seen across the current range. |
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Post by Gaëtan on Nov 30, 2020 6:39:02 GMT
I'm also a big fan of guitar pedals which I'm already starting to integrate using the 4I/O Speaking of which, a proper pedal interface module would be awesome ! Even just something very simple. |
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Post by Morn Valley on Nov 30, 2020 10:40:09 GMT
I'm also a big fan of guitar pedals which I'm already starting to integrate using the 4I/O Speaking of which, a proper pedal interface module would be awesome ! Even just something very simple. I think with the upcoming Mixer modules and 4I/O you'd have everything you need as you could patch the send/return to the 4I/O. Most of the eurorack pedal interfaces just drop and boost from Eurorack to line level and back and seeing as AE is close to line level I don't think it's needed. Something I did look at was using a CMOS analogue switch for pedals that use a tap tempo input like the EHX ones. The pedal just closes a signal to ground so you could feed the switch a clock signal and it would open and close this circuit to sync your delay for example... I haven't seen this anywhere else. Might have to try this and see if it works. |
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Post by solipsistnation on Nov 30, 2020 17:20:51 GMT
Yeah, I think @morn Valley has summed up one of the things I like about AE-- single-purpose modules that are small enough that they don't take up a ton of space but are also large enough that you can read the labels and actually fit your fingers around them (...looking at you, 2HP modules with 5 knobs and 3 jacks).
And yes, if I wanted complex interfaces with screens and menus stuff, I'd be using my Korg Z1 instead (or whatever). The semi-hidden settings on TOPOGRAF are about as far as I want to go into that (especially since it changes how the outputs work, but the labels don't change. I just have to remember that spare output 2 is clock now).
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Post by funbun on Nov 30, 2020 23:01:10 GMT
Yeah, I think @morn Valley has summed up one of the things I like about AE-- single-purpose modules that are small enough that they don't take up a ton of space but are also large enough that you can read the labels and actually fit your fingers around them (...looking at you, 2HP modules with 5 knobs and 3 jacks). And yes, if I wanted complex interfaces with screens and menus stuff, I'd be using my Korg Z1 instead (or whatever). The semi-hidden settings on TOPOGRAF are about as far as I want to go into that (especially since it changes how the outputs work, but the labels don't change. I just have to remember that spare output 2 is clock now). Yeah, I'm going to have to agree as well. One-knob-does-one-thing is great for learning. You have to actually patch what ever you want instead of just buying a new module. However there are some advantages in having one module do more than one thing like a low-pass gate. It's a VCA and a low pass filter all in one. The wavefolder is a clipper and wavefolder in one. I've become more west-coast in my thinking over the short time I've been into synths. The MULTIFX module is a great one. I'd also love to see a Gisting module basically a utility version of the MULTIFX. But I agree, I would never want an Inturo Complex Oscillator. But a pair of FMOS, signalamps, and wavefolders would to the job just as well. On the other hand most of what I do is complex sequences. Taking that same approach with five SEQ8s or SEQ16s would be miserable. Something with a memory that could save thousands of sequences would be a dream come true! Not to mention actually being able to play more than five pitches in the sequence. |
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Post by lukylutte on Dec 1, 2020 5:45:39 GMT
I understand as well. However, I'm still waiting for the MI-could version which was before mentioned in the sunrise... With the limitation of power and all I don't think it's really possible to have some of those crazy deep and complex modules. The only thing is why limiting the Ae modular world? I understand that some prefer one knob par function without menu diving (because I'm one of them for sure  ), but I wouldn't ask for not developing such module. If Robert, Wonky stuff or any new comer wants to make one; GO for it, it might bring some idea for a simplified version or to a new direction. To get back to the "wish list" and not the "not wishing list" (many have been mentioned but just to refresh the memory  ): -MI-cloud inspired module -envelope follower -compressor with ducking possibilities (trig input or cv input for different envelop) -tuner/oscilloscope |
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Post by Morn Valley on Dec 1, 2020 8:22:35 GMT
If Robert, Wonky stuff or any new comer wants to make one; GO for it, it might bring some idea for a simplified version or to a new direction. To get back to the "wish list" and not the "not wishing list" (many have been mentioned but just to refresh the memory ): -MI-cloud inspired module -envelope follower -compressor with ducking possibilities (trig input or cv input for different envelop) -tuner/oscilloscope Oh definitely, I think the Wonkystuff Turing machine is a brilliant reimplementation of the idea, from what I can see it’s the original design redone in code on a chip which has allowed the addition of a built in clock and some other features that have been added/omitted. More of this definitely! Apologies if I caused controversy, I just have an aversion to densely packed modules with thick manuals and know that most of these modules have a 2+ year design process (Émilie from Mutable has often said it’s a 3 year process from idea to production). Anyway I’ll shut up now with my not wish list. I’d love to see some kind of teensy module with a couple of knobs, buttons, cv in/out and audio out, that you could reprogram, kind of like a blank canvas module similar to the diy kit but ready built. Would be cool to see a how a community library would grow and would be similar to disting in a way but you could stick labels on the front after flashing your code to it. |
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Post by bert on Dec 1, 2020 12:45:11 GMT
I’d love to see some kind of teensy module with a couple of knobs, buttons, cv in/out and audio out, that you could reprogram, kind of like a blank canvas module similar to the diy kit but ready built. Would be cool to see a how a community library would grow and would be similar to disting in a way but you could stick labels on the front after flashing your code to it. Isn't the GRAINS module fulfilling this? |
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Post by Morn Valley on Dec 1, 2020 14:07:01 GMT
I’d love to see some kind of teensy module with a couple of knobs, buttons, cv in/out and audio out, that you could reprogram, kind of like a blank canvas module similar to the diy kit but ready built. Would be cool to see a how a community library would grow and would be similar to disting in a way but you could stick labels on the front after flashing your code to it. Isn't the GRAINS module fulfilling this? Yes it does, I didn't think of that as I don't have the Grains module yet, but the Teensy Audio Design Tool seems a bit more intuitive for anyone who is new to coding but may have used PD or Max as a visual programming tool. www.pjrc.com/teensy/gui/index.html |
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Post by tIB on Dec 6, 2020 9:13:36 GMT
Interesting thoughts around the suggested euro ports - I feel much the same, in that I've no real interest in the 'production centre in a module' do-it-all approach that seems to centre around lots of euro stuff/suggestions these days, hence why I have an AE system (single manufacturer, modular modular for the most part) and not a euro system (had one - wasn't for me for various reasons). I welcome more building blocks... and Serge style slope generators though we've had that discussion already.
As for 'reasonably priced buchla' maybe look at the verbos stuff - his stuff is largely based on his work with buchla. YMMV on the price. There are also plenty of 200 clones out there in 4u, with some steps taken recently to make them more affordable - thebeast/julian in the UK has rattled a few cages with steps in this direction I believe...
Not sure I've mentioned before but a dual lopag would be nice in AE - I love low pass gates but can't justify a single space for one of them in a small system like mine.
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Post by Lugia on Dec 13, 2020 6:26:42 GMT
100% in agreement tIB...there's a lot of things going on right now in Eurorack where you've got manufacturers trying to jam way too many functions behind the panel. And while I can understand that some of this is driven by the expense of Eurorack cab space and a demand to jam as many functions into those as can be managed, that doesn't make it a good idea. I much prefer the methods in the AE...inexpensive "primitives" from which, should you choose, you can build up similar subsystems as those expensive Eurorack modules. And of course, the AE is FAR more cost-effective!
The worst upshot, though, is that these "do-it-all" Eurorack modules are confusing the HELL out of a lot of beginning users right now. They see these and get the idea that, aha, everything I need can fit in one 84 hp skiff. And then they're utterly perplexed when it DOESN'T do everything from Throbbing Gristle to Yanni, even with lots of other experienced users (like myself) telling them that those builds won't work the way they envision. These newbies are also the users who, frankly, would probably benefit more from working with an AE so that they can see what those "sexy" Eurorack modules are actually doing. But for right now, it's probably best that they gradually discover the AE...at least, not until the octopi that Robert had grafted to his staff's hands "take". |
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Post by ean on Jan 3, 2021 12:09:01 GMT
A midi interface module that has the same function as the midi input on the master module. Something like 2 midi inputs and each with selectable channel.
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Post by timb0bsteve on Jan 14, 2021 17:23:26 GMT
A midi interface module that has the same function as the midi input on the master module. Something like 2 midi inputs and each with selectable channel. I'd love this too |
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