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Post by namke on Aug 18, 2020 12:03:39 GMT
How about a DC coupled module? I'll take a guess that I'm not the only one who would find it very useful to be able to send CV signals from a DAW to AE. What do you mean? The 4I/O can have each of its 3.5mm jacks switched between audio and DC… is that useful? (And of course the master module has two CTRL i/o jacks) |
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Post by Gaëtan on Aug 18, 2020 12:31:45 GMT
How about a DC coupled module? I'll take a guess that I'm not the only one who would find it very useful to be able to send CV signals from a DAW to AE. What do you mean? The 4I/O can have each of its 3.5mm jacks switched between audio and DC… is that useful? (And of course the master module has two CTRL i/o jacks) I think he means something like the Expert Sleepers ES-8 for Eurorack : www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/es8.html |
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Post by paul23 on Aug 18, 2020 14:32:36 GMT
What do you mean? The 4I/O can have each of its 3.5mm jacks switched between audio and DC… is that useful? (And of course the master module has two CTRL i/o jacks) I think he means something like the Expert Sleepers ES-8 for Eurorack : www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/es8.htmlYep, something like the Expert Sleepers. My knowledge of the relevant terminology is a little sketchy but from what I do understand computer audio interfaces filter out CV level signals. For listening to music that makes sense but it also means you need an interface that doesn't cancel this out to sit between your computer and AEM, or whatever else you would like to send CV to. I don't *think* the 4I/O can do/is intended to do that. More for other instruments/modules that send CV directly. Be great it it turns out I'm wrong  I use MAX so it would be easy enough to scale CV to keep within the +5v AEM needs. |
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Post by namke on Aug 18, 2020 15:57:39 GMT
Ah, ok — so something like a usb->cv converter. I’m sure there must be something like that out there (sorry, will look at the links later). I still have my old Kenton pro2000 midi-cv interface, so I would probably use that with the 2att/cv module to scale things |
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Post by Lugia on Aug 18, 2020 17:15:44 GMT
Easy-peasy, then. What you really need here is a multichannel audio interface that's DC coupled...which, in essence, is what modules like the ES-8 are. And this won't even cost anywhere near the price of that.
In my studio, I'm using a MOTU 828 mkii for this. Eight in, eight out (although you can push that to ten out, technically), Firewire interface, pretty typical for a late 90s-ish multichannel interface. Now, these aren't considered to be pro-grade anymore...for AUDIO. But with CV outputs, the audio quality questions go out the window. Plus, Ableton's CV Tools likes it just fine.
But the kicker is the price; I got my 828 for about $120-ish, and an ES-8 costs around $450-500 or thereabouts. Might be the same idea...but that price difference tells the whole story!
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Post by paul23 on Aug 19, 2020 6:43:53 GMT
Easy-peasy, then. What you really need here is a multichannel audio interface that's DC coupled...which, in essence, is what modules like the ES-8 are. And this won't even cost anywhere near the price of that.
In my studio, I'm using a MOTU 828 mkii for this. Eight in, eight out (although you can push that to ten out, technically), Firewire interface, pretty typical for a late 90s-ish multichannel interface. Now, these aren't considered to be pro-grade anymore...for AUDIO. But with CV outputs, the audio quality questions go out the window. Plus, Ableton's CV Tools likes it just fine.
But the kicker is the price; I got my 828 for about $120-ish, and an ES-8 costs around $450-500 or thereabouts. Might be the same idea...but that price difference tells the whole story!
Thanks for the tip - I'll have a look out for an suitable second hand interface. |
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Post by paul23 on Aug 19, 2020 6:48:05 GMT
Something I would love to see in AE M would be a rungler based module, as created by Rob Hordijk as part of his Benjolin synth. Rob has published the circuit online and from what I have seen he is happy for people to adapt his circuit. For me this type of chaotic modulation would be perfect in AE. Have any of you DIY people made one? electronicmusic.fandom.com/wiki/Runglerwww.fancysynthesis.net/ |
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Post by spacedog on Aug 19, 2020 8:33:00 GMT
Something I would love to see in AE M would be a rungler based module, as created by Rob Hordijk as part of his Benjolin synth. Rob has published the circuit online and from what I have seen he is happy for people to adapt his circuit. For me this type of chaotic modulation would be perfect in AE. Have any of you DIY people made one? electronicmusic.fandom.com/wiki/Runglerwww.fancysynthesis.net/The Bastl Kastle 1.5 has an LFO as follows: The voltage controllable LFO has a triangle and square output and a reset input. The stepped waveform generator is inspired by the Rungler circuit by Rob Hordijk. It can produce 8 different voltages either in random order or in 8 or 16 step looping patterns depending on how the BIT IN is patched.The really nice thing about the Bastl Kastle is that it is completely compatible (and even cross-patchable) with the AE Modular. I have one and I've used it as a complex oscillator module, including extensively on quite a few tracks. That little synth is a great addition to the AE Modular, and quite a fun synth on its own anyway. I've been quite amazed at what I can get out of it. For the sonically-curious, it's a must-buy |
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Post by spacedog on Aug 19, 2020 9:09:27 GMT
Something I would love to see in AE M would be a rungler based module, as created by Rob Hordijk as part of his Benjolin synth. Rob has published the circuit online and from what I have seen he is happy for people to adapt his circuit. For me this type of chaotic modulation would be perfect in AE. Have any of you DIY people made one? electronicmusic.fandom.com/wiki/Runglerwww.fancysynthesis.net/The Bastl Kastle 1.5 has an LFO as follows: The voltage controllable LFO has a triangle and square output and a reset input. The stepped waveform generator is inspired by the Rungler circuit by Rob Hordijk. It can produce 8 different voltages either in random order or in 8 or 16 step looping patterns depending on how the BIT IN is patched.The really nice thing about the Bastl Kastle is that it is completely compatible (and even cross-patchable) with the AE Modular. I have one and I've used it as a complex oscillator module, including extensively on quite a few tracks. That little synth is a great addition to the AE Modular, and quite a fun synth on its own anyway. I've been quite amazed at what I can get out of it. For the sonically-curious, it's a must-buy For the really adventurous, there is a project to "refactor" the code, which seems to include a second Rungler output. That's not for me, but it might interest some here. |
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Post by rodney on Aug 20, 2020 5:14:30 GMT
Just out of interest, are we talking 'melodic' (quantised) sequencers here? i.e. something akin to MIDI note data. In my experience traditional analogue sequencers (knobs, generating CVs directly) are hard to get 'tunes' out of; more suited to soundscapes etc. There again, with MIDI note data you are limited to the (equal tempered) scale. I'm just having a think… maybe not long sequences, but perhaps with a few sequence-memories which could be switched between by an external trigger? Or perhaps two sequences which you could morph between (analogous to wavetable-scanning or vector synthesis) That might be a fun thing to play around with  I'm thinking a lot about sequencers, mainly for DIY, at the moment. I like the idea of morphing between sequences. I also really enjoyed a sequencer on the Atari ST (It's an old people thing ) that let you set the probability of any note being faithful to the sequence in terms of pitch or perhaps its order in the sequence.
Imagine the current SEQ16 with its list of five pitches. Imagine being able to set the probability of the order being followed correctly and also the probability of a not happening at all. In a more MIDI style note sequencer, you could set the probability of hearing that note compared to another random note - perhaps randomness linked to proximity to the note in pitch.
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Post by Jihel on Aug 20, 2020 6:53:50 GMT
in eurorack, I’ve recently become a fan of Ladik (ladik.eu) They have a huge number of simple (and cheap) but really useful utility modules - pop to their website for inspiration. just one example is the uncertain lfo (4hp,£55!) basically a wavetable lfo but with an element of randomness in things like amplitude. Really clever as it gives you moving modulation but that’s not repetitive, something you would usually need multiple lfos/sample hold and VCAs to achieve. As I say just one example, or a module that is pretty simple , but very musical. +1 for Ladik They have many interesting modules at a fair price, but the price of a full Ladik system is "Eurorack" (expensive - but less than other names). |
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Post by Lugia on Aug 20, 2020 21:33:04 GMT
True, Ladik still has the Eurorack priciness...but not much of it. Of all of the Eurorack makers, Ladik's offerings remind me A LOT of the AE system's modules.
Which brings up an interesting little point: perhaps Ladik could be prodded into some AE format modules? Or at least, a collaboration with Robert to get some of the more interesting Ladik modules AE-ified? I've already got an order in that includes that killer new Dove Audio collab...it might be worthwhile to bring a few more into the Wonderful World of Pinwires!
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Post by thundersound on Aug 29, 2020 4:01:53 GMT
A small thing I would like to see is a crossfader, with a little bigger knob than the normal AE knobs.
So 2 inputs, knob fully left is 100% input 1, middle is 50/50 and fully right is 100% input 2, this buffered to a multiple output.
The crossfader has allso a CV input, where 0V is input 1, 2.5V is 50/50 and 5V is input 2, when the knob is in the middle and another knob is on for CV.
Because it is so small, it could be doubled on a module where there is also a sum output , or it could be part of a module with more tools.
And off course a 'good old' aux input to combine a few of these modules.
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Post by Jihel on Aug 29, 2020 20:41:59 GMT
Random CV
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Semi-Random Notes Sequencer
Semi-Random Trigger Pattern Generator
Of course, I like a lot Ladik products and I hope to see them in AEM format |
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Post by Gaëtan on Sept 1, 2020 8:12:27 GMT
A small thing I would like to see is a crossfader, with a little bigger knob than the normal AE knobs. So 2 inputs, knob fully left is 100% input 1, middle is 50/50 and fully right is 100% input 2, this buffered to a multiple output. The crossfader has allso a CV input, where 0V is input 1, 2.5V is 50/50 and 5V is input 2, when the knob is in the middle and another knob is on for CV. Because it is so small, it could be doubled on a module where there is also a sum output , or it could be part of a module with more tools. And off course a 'good old' aux input to combine a few of these modules. Crossfaders need more love in modular, they are SUPER useful, especially if CV-able. I rarely need to mix more than 2 sources so most mixers' channels sit unused (also why the 4att/mix is so great). |
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Post by paul23 on Sept 1, 2020 10:10:30 GMT
Random CV
Voltage controlled Panner/Mixer/VCA
Semi-Random Notes Sequencer
Semi-Random Trigger Pattern Generator
Of course, I like a lot Ladik products and I hope to see them in AEM format A random CV generator is something I would love to see become available for AE. |
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Post by lukylutte on Sept 1, 2020 12:03:34 GMT
A random CV generator is something I would love to see become available for AE. There is the noise module already available : the D output which is a random changing 0V / 5V |
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Post by Jihel on Sept 1, 2020 12:50:58 GMT
Just reading the wiki manual for the Noise module :
"Connecting CR OUT to S&H (TRIG1) and A OUT to S&H (IN1) outputs random voltages at random intervals"
It's exactly what I want !
Thank you for highlighting the Noise module.
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Post by rodney on Sept 5, 2020 0:38:12 GMT
Just reading the wiki manual for the Noise module :
"Connecting CR OUT to S&H (TRIG1) and A OUT to S&H (IN1) outputs random voltages at random intervals"
It's exactly what I want !
Thank you for highlighting the Noise module.
You can also use S&H to sample the sequencer CV to get another bunch of notes that are in tune with the ones played by the sequencer. |
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Post by Jihel on Sept 5, 2020 9:23:53 GMT
You can also use S&H to sample the sequencer CV to get another bunch of notes that are in tune with the ones played by the sequencer. While I'm waiting for my AEM, I'm exploring the forum and I'm noting all tips. Thank you rodney for this tip |
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Post by rodney on Sept 5, 2020 22:02:14 GMT
You can also use S&H to sample the sequencer CV to get another bunch of notes that are in tune with the ones played by the sequencer. While I'm waiting for my AEM, I'm exploring the forum and I'm noting all tips. Thank you rodney for this tip The other thing S&H is good for is a very rough bit-crusher by using one oscillator to sample another one. |
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Post by frix on Sept 9, 2020 14:59:40 GMT
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Post by funbun on Sept 9, 2020 16:21:15 GMT
That'd be even better than the ER101. |
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Post by Lugia on Sept 10, 2020 1:59:26 GMT
Nifty as hell...and it's open source! But the drawback for AE is that this wants +/- 12V. Something would have to be changed in the power requirements. |
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Post by funbun on Sept 10, 2020 22:48:55 GMT
Yup, even if Robert or someone chopped the specifications in half: 4 tracks, 8 sequences per track, 32 steps per sequence. I don't know if that has anything to do with power requirement, but that'd still be a killer sequencer. The fact that it's open source is the biggie.
That's what we should call it: HALFTRACK!
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