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Post by arti on May 13, 2020 11:04:21 GMT
Fixed Filter Bank module.
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Post by Lugia on May 17, 2020 5:19:40 GMT
Fixed Filter Bank module. ...with an internal feedback control, avoiding the need to patch in an attenuator from elsewhere to pull that most excellent "resonant EQ" trick.
My bet is that this would need a 2 space panel to give the various passband attenuators some space for easy manipulation as well as the pin headers for the individual passbands. Thankfully, one doesn't tend to tweak these much, so the layout can be a tad "tight" if needs be.
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Post by dmoney2000 on May 20, 2020 21:03:50 GMT
What about an ornament and crime AE module? In eurorack I’ve seen little 8hp and even 1U versions. Am I insane?
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Post by admin on May 20, 2020 21:06:50 GMT
What about an ornament and crime AE module? In eurorack I’ve seen little 8hp and even 1U versions. Am I insane? This is definitely on the roadmap. I know that Robert has already spoken to the O&C developer to clear rights to use etc. However there are many other module ideas in the pipeline before this. |
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Post by dmoney2000 on May 20, 2020 21:14:16 GMT
That is great news! Wow!
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Post by Lugia on May 23, 2020 14:26:29 GMT
Another one hit me the other day: frequency shifter. Now, yeah, the Bode ones are hella expensive; a new one from CotK will set you back a cool grand or thereabouts!
BUT...apparently, that's NOT the only way to do this, and there's some cheaper methods out there. Modcan has a dual FS for $400, for one thing...and Koma Elektronik included one in their Field Kit FX, which retails in its entirety at $280 street. So whatever's in that thing _can't_ be all that spendy.
Also...wouldn't this be something better done inside an Atmega, RasPi, et al? Some of the necessary "components" as the Hilbert transform could probably be done easier and _cheaper_ in code, I would think. Or maybe there's a way to hotwire a 4-quadrant while cancelling the "sum" or "difference" products?
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Post by tIB on May 23, 2020 20:23:28 GMT
Hi, new here so take my requests with a pinch...
Frequency shifter - yes please. Tom Bugs does a super analogue one and Tony Encore did a good hybrid (digital control of analogue shifter). So yeah, frequency shifter with a quadrature sine osc to drive it would be wonderful, although lower down my list than...
Slopes: the widely-cloned multi-purpose Serge USG is brilliant at so many things. I'd love a few in this format... you can't have enough of them.
Resonant EQ - I caught that the CGS wavefolder was the backbone to the ae wavefolder. Any chance of a port of the resonant EQ as well?
If I was being super greedy crossfaders too - another useful multi purpose type thing. Oh and a thru zero oscillator, something like the Fritz teezer.
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Post by tIB on May 23, 2020 20:25:31 GMT
Yeah, I still like the Analog Shift Register idea. Not only can you use it for chordal polyphony, it would also give you the basic backbone for an arpeggiator. Pluuuuuus...an ASR can be used for all sorts of CV store-and-forward behavior, not simply pitch changes. ASR's are fun. The CGS gated comparator is an excellent module in that vein that is worth a look. |
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Post by Lugia on May 23, 2020 23:24:04 GMT
Slopes: the widely-cloned multi-purpose Serge USG is brilliant at so many things. I'd love a few in this format... you can't have enough of them. We got that...have a much closer look at the 2ENV. You have CV over rise and fall on each EG, plus each one outputs an end pulse when the decay reaches zero. Very easy to loop, plus you can crossloop them, which makes it a bit more like a DUSG. And if the result is too "sharp", you can always run it through a SLEW/EDGE, which then lets you select for smoothing on rise, fall, or both. Slap a pair of 'em together, add a few extra tricks, and you got a Maths (kinda)!
Best suggestion here: look at the AE modules as "primitives", the submodules that you _don't_ see that are hiding behind the panels of the expensive AF Eurorack etc stuff. If you get creative, there's an awful lot of spendy modules that can be replicated in AE subpatches. F'rinstance, my rig (Gargantua...named that for "reasons") has six takes on Buchla 258-type complex oscillators. Each of these uses a single 2OSC/D, 2VCA, WAVEFOLDER and MIXER 4-4, and two VCOs as a unitized set, which gives me...well, pretty much most anything I could coax out of a 258 _and then some._ But UNlike the not-available Buchla oscillator (or available only as a clone, starting around $900 for Sputnik's kit version), these can be whipped up off the shelf for a whopping $188 (according to xe.com at present).
Yeah, I know the AE doesn't have some of what you see in Eurorack...YET. But what it doesn't have can be built up...or it's likely something Robert's cooking up in his secret lab in Murnau. The system is still quite young, but it's catching up thanks to its user base AND the fact that Robert encourages DIY and custom builds (hence the BRAEDBOARD), plus it does have a few other systems it plays nice with from the likes of Folktek, Koma, Bastl, and Soundmachines.
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Post by tIB on May 24, 2020 6:48:02 GMT
We got that...have a much closer look at the 2ENV. You have CV over rise and fall on each EG, plus each one outputs an end pulse when the decay reaches zero. Very easy to loop, plus you can crossloop them, which makes it a bit more like a DUSG. And if the result is too "sharp", you can always run it through a SLEW/EDGE, which then lets you select for smoothing on rise, fall, or both. Slap a pair of 'em together, add a few extra tricks, and you got a Maths (kinda)!
I've looked at the envelopes and I'd say not quite; the beauty of the USG (and the reason I suggested it) is that it is multi-purpose and can be many things depending on how you patch it: env, osc (both covered in the 2env hopefully?), slew, follower, basic filter, pulse divider... There are others. I appreciate we have all of those things in the ae format but having one Swiss-army type module that can be many things is really useful. I don't have any oscillators (or standalone envelopes or slews) in my serge system, but I've a ton of USG's... and I'm always open to more regardless of format! Good advice - if you have the tools patch it. That's why I like modular! Funny you should mention the 258 as that was one of the reasons why I suggested a crossfader - I haven't found anything that replicates that functionality in ae so far, though perhaps I haven't looked hard enough? The Nyle filter to some degree perhaps thinking on it, though not the most economic use? Anyway, curious to how you would patch a simple sin (or triangle) to square/saw fade, which is kind of the backbone to the 258 (along with its FM response- just incredible). Thinking about it does the 2osc even have a triangle? |
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Post by admin on May 24, 2020 7:14:13 GMT
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Post by tIB on May 24, 2020 8:27:46 GMT
I've read the manual but the risk of splitting hairs I'd suggest it isn't quite - it has (most of) the envelope aspect of the USG covered but not the other stuff you can do with the integrator it is built around. I might be missing something in the gate functionality, but as far as I can see I can't access the slew/filter/vca functionality of the integrator through the 2ENV as I could on a serge USG, meaning envelope follower, slew, filter/vca (in a pinch) isn't possible? The slew edge could get me some of that but lacks the control over rise and fall, so again not quite the same (although probably built around the same circuit?) and not something I could patch in as needed, which is why I suggested it. |
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Post by dustbunnies on May 27, 2020 17:26:22 GMT
If I was being super greedy crossfaders too - another useful multi purpose type thing. 
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Post by Gaëtan on May 30, 2020 18:22:12 GMT
The 2cvtool made me think... the 4io clips any incoming signal, so if for example you have a -10 to +10V signal, you need to attenuate and offset it BEFORE feeding it to the AE. Which means using your precious eurorack space.
AE rack space, on the contrary, is very cheap, so of we could have a module which could process the signal BEFORE the clipping stage, it would make interfacing cheaper and more powerful
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Post by tIB on Jun 12, 2020 20:30:26 GMT
A clock multiplier in the same vein as the MMDIV would be nice. Mmmult anyone?
Also a mixABCD would be great: 4 into a selectable two outputs- a switch on each selects whether to route to A or B output, meaning either 2 X 2 into 2, or 3 into 1, with 1 as an attenuator. AC/DC switching on the outputs too. Plus bonus of 2 X 2 into 1 passive mixers on the C and D outs. Lots of mixing in one module.
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Post by tIB on Jun 20, 2020 10:18:06 GMT
We have a solina, how about a mellotron?
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Post by Lugia on Jun 20, 2020 19:37:44 GMT
Definitely need a clock multiplier/ratchet gen, yep. As for the mellotron idea, sure...now, to keep it AE format, it would have to probably use cassette tape strips instead of the (I think) 3/8" ones, and would be a lot smaller. About the size of a breadbox, maybe. And it would probably only weigh 30-40 lbs, so that would be the first REALLY portable 'tron. Downside, though, would be that Robert would have to farm the mechanics out to something along the lines of a Swiss watchmaker, which would result in it costing a few thousand $$...and it would STILL be unreliable because...well, mellotron.  |
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Post by korporation on Jun 21, 2020 5:31:02 GMT
So many pages to look thru but I would suggest:
EMS Putney/Synthi filter and Trapezoid Generator
EML 100 filter
Ring Modulator with dedicated LFO for RM modulation (never seen this before)
VC LFO
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Post by tIB on Jun 21, 2020 6:01:28 GMT
Ring Modulator with dedicated LFO for RM modulation (never seen this before) Take a look at the Blacet klangwerk - built in vco and envelope follower. John was such a good designer. Good ideas there. |
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Post by korporation on Jun 21, 2020 7:26:13 GMT
Thanks!! I've seen a lot of Blacet but never owned anything. I had a chance to nab a fracrack system cheap as hell but slept on it and missed it.
I would like to see a joystick module as well to pair with EMS stuff. Kinda crucial hahhah. I had the Analogue Systems EMS modules and while the Trapezoid Generator was killer, the filter was pretty weak. It "sounded" like the Synthi filter but really lacked any kind of power or strength.
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Post by Gaëtan on Jun 21, 2020 7:59:28 GMT
Definitely need a clock multiplier/ratchet gen, yep. As for the mellotron idea, sure...now, to keep it AE format, it would have to probably use cassette tape strips instead of the (I think) 3/8" ones, and would be a lot smaller. About the size of a breadbox, maybe. And it would probably only weigh 30-40 lbs, so that would be the first REALLY portable 'tron. Downside, though, would be that Robert would have to farm the mechanics out to something along the lines of a Swiss watchmaker, which would result in it costing a few thousand $$...and it would STILL be unreliable because...well, mellotron. But... mellotron... This made me think, a voltage controlled cassette player would be awesome! |
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Post by tIB on Jun 21, 2020 10:45:07 GMT
Thanks!! I've seen a lot of Blacet but never owned anything. I had a chance to nab a fracrack system cheap as hell but slept on it and missed it. I would like to see a joystick module as well to pair with EMS stuff. Kinda crucial hahhah. I had the Analogue Systems EMS modules and while the Trapezoid Generator was killer, the filter was pretty weak. It "sounded" like the Synthi filter but really lacked any kind of power or strength. Yusynth had a nice one that I had a while back(by stg soundlabs). I've never used a trapezoid generator - had a haible PCB but that project was never seen through. Blacet stuff is great - I always wished he used bananas jacks but his designs were consistently very clever, and sometimes very original (hex zone- amazing! I'll have that one in AE please?!). A sad loss. Mellotron wise I'll settle for sample playback (or maybe the ehx Mel 9 approach?). |
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Post by rockysmalls on Jun 21, 2020 11:36:10 GMT
Definitely need a clock multiplier/ratchet gen, yep. As for the mellotron idea, sure...now, to keep it AE format, it would have to probably use cassette tape strips instead of the (I think) 3/8" ones, and would be a lot smaller. About the size of a breadbox, maybe. And it would probably only weigh 30-40 lbs, so that would be the first REALLY portable 'tron. Downside, though, would be that Robert would have to farm the mechanics out to something along the lines of a Swiss watchmaker, which would result in it costing a few thousand $$...and it would STILL be unreliable because...well, mellotron. But... mellotron... This made me think, a voltage controlled cassette player would be awesome! like the Onde thing here? .. www.ondemagnetique.com except maybe without the controller, the adaption of the cassette player is relatively simple (but fiddly) , i think there is a ‘techtime’ utube on it somewhere... er.... here.. probably there is a lot of versions of this idea,, i made one in the early 90’s so i could control the pitch with an expression pedal and do manual scratching with the ffw/rw buttons.. oh the itchy scratchy joy!!  |
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Post by Lugia on Jun 22, 2020 22:28:54 GMT
Hmm...kinda similar to my varispeed cassette, although mine is the much-praised Am Printing House for the Blind one. That gives you switchable track arrangements (potentially useful for reversed audio), a 15/16ips halfspeed setting for MAXIMUM lo-fi cruddiness, and the varispeed PLUS the VSC pitch-corrector (or pitch-wronger, depending). Definitely the vapor-Walkman!
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Post by korporation on Jun 24, 2020 21:41:49 GMT
Am I looney or is there no VC controlled LFO? I kinda feel like that is crucial to have...
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