jumpinjohnathon
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Post by jumpinjohnathon on May 29, 2019 7:41:19 GMT
I've always been a fan of anything that has lovely lush Shimmers-Glimmers with variable decay and time
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Post by thetechnobear on May 29, 2019 13:07:04 GMT
something quite mundane  buffered multiple this is I guess a counterpart to quantizers , since once you get an 'accurate' pitch tracking, you don't want to loose it, if you distribute to multiple oscillators via a multi. actually, robertlanger you might want to look at mutable instruments links, this is a utility module which has buffered mult, precision adder, and an mixer/averager - its one of my most used modules in my eurorack - mundane functions, that are really useful! (im seriously considering getting a second) |
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Post by houze on Jun 4, 2019 1:48:00 GMT
I would love to see something like Plaits from Mutable Instruments.
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Post by Gaëtan on Jun 4, 2019 6:02:53 GMT
It was talked about in the DIY forum, but a pedal interface would be great. Most pedals take 9V, so they're right at home with AE. One send jack, one return jack, one send volume knob, one dry/wet mix knob. The jacks should be 3.5mm, and I guess you can even sell adapters like this on the shop. For the output we could have 100% dry, 100% wet and the mix.
Maybe in bonus a gate input that would only let the sound through the effect when the gate is high ? I have never seen that in eurorack pedal interfaces, that would allow some pretty cool gated delay/reverb effects right out of the box. A CV control on the dry/wet mix could be nice too.
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Post by Lugia on Jun 5, 2019 18:47:26 GMT
Or perhaps it would work as a standalone monosynth? A second AE device for those who don't feel like (although, I wouldn't know _why)_ diving headlong into full-on modular, sort of an AE answer to devices like the Kastle or Nanosynth, but with a (mostly?) fixed architecture, and yet with the FPGA setup that would allow this to blow the other microsynths away in terms of feature set, capabilities, etc. Or possibly better: a monosynth sort of akin to Arturia's MicroFreak, employing a smallish touchplate keyboard which can also be used to control the AE Modular, either via MIDI _or_ via direct patching of CV/gate/trigs.
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Post by thetechnobear on Jun 10, 2019 11:01:35 GMT
id recommend having a look at Johannes (dadamachines) new doppler chip - its an ardunio combined with an FPGA in a very small package. dadamachines.com/product/doppler/Johannes gave me one a while back, and i do plan to put it in the AE modular, just need the time ps. its not in full production yet, i don't think, but he has a few for developers that are interested in developing with it... ( iirc, i think Robert knows Johannes - so hopefully there have already been discussions ) |
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Post by ean on Jun 27, 2019 1:38:58 GMT
I don't think I can add to the great list and I also don't know much about modular compared to users here. But I'd like to see a granular sample player. The bit crush on the effects module sounded good - I'd love a dedicated one. Maybe an analogue overdrive with tone control. Ribbon controller.
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jumpinjohnathon
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Post by jumpinjohnathon on Jun 30, 2019 22:11:04 GMT
I think I've read all the posts now in this thread and maybe I missed my query being answered somewhere (which is more than possible).
I own several MOOG Werkstatt's (one with the CV/3.5 conversion mounted, the other is Breadboard). With that said... Has there been a discussion of how one might have an actual "AE Modular" module convert the Breadboard-pin to a 3.5mm input/output (and back again) for the usage of other devices using 3.5mm TS connections (so everyrbody can play nicely with other devices with the AE gear)? I would figure that there might be some voltage concerns in doing so (but not as much as would be with a full TRS cable system).
And if thats not a possibility, do any of you know whether one can snip and resolder a 3.5mm cable to a bread-pin cable?
(Again apologies if this has been discussed, I'm going on 30 hours with no sleep, and I'm more than a little fuzzy right now in my thinking process)
Johnny
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Post by thetechnobear on Jul 1, 2019 9:15:24 GMT
Has there been a discussion of how one might have an actual "AE Modular" module convert the Breadboard-pin to a 3.5mm input/output (and back again) for the usage of other devices using 3.5mm TS connections (so everyrbody can play nicely with other devices with the AE gear)? I would figure that there might be some voltage concerns in doing so (but not as much as would be with a full TRS cable system).
master CV i/o does this, and so does the 4io module. or am i missing something? (they both clip 0..5v as used by AE modular, but if your using something like eurorack you can of course attenuate/scale/offset before you send the cv) |
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Post by admin on Jul 1, 2019 9:25:35 GMT
Has there been a discussion of how one might have an actual "AE Modular" module convert the Breadboard-pin to a 3.5mm input/output (and back again) for the usage of other devices using 3.5mm TS connections (so everyrbody can play nicely with other devices with the AE gear)? Hi jumpinjohnathon, this is what the Master I/O ports do and also the 4I/O module. I've been using and showing this in a few of my videos on youtube, eg. |
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jumpinjohnathon
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Post by jumpinjohnathon on Jul 2, 2019 10:11:28 GMT
Has there been a discussion of how one might have an actual "AE Modular" module convert the Breadboard-pin to a 3.5mm input/output (and back again) for the usage of other devices using 3.5mm TS connections (so everyrbody can play nicely with other devices with the AE gear)? I would figure that there might be some voltage concerns in doing so (but not as much as would be with a full TRS cable system).
master CV i/o does this, and so does the 4io module. or am i missing something? (they both clip 0..5v as used by AE modular, but if your using something like eurorack you can of course attenuate/scale/offset before you send the cv) No it's me that missed it completely (evidently) and I'm really showing my ignorance now. I was leaning towards a scalable multi-input of mixed modular voltages (not AE's 5v but 12v etc.) so several different voltage flavors could travel through one device, and apparently thats what both you and Careck brought to my attention, yes? I can't believe that I missed that, thought I had gone through all the products in the web-Store.
Technobear, for a newbie (if you don't mind), when you say "offset before you send the CV", could you describe/illustrate how that would happen (sorry... big newb here in 'this genre').
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Post by thetechnobear on Jul 3, 2019 13:42:21 GMT
Technobear, for a newbie (if you don't mind), when you say "offset before you send the CV", could you describe/illustrate how that would happen (sorry... big newb here in 'this genre').
no worries, all questions are good - hard to spot the wood for the trees sometimes so in eurorack you might have CV between -10v and 10v , given that AE only has 0..5v ,so what happens when it mismatches.... examples eurorack -> AE -7v = 0v (too low, so clipped to 0v) 4v = 4v (its in range, so unaffected) 8v = 5v (too high, so clipped to 5v) now imagine a bipolar LFO, thats doing a sine wave -5v to 5v in eurorack, this would come into as a 0..5v, but the negative portion of sine wave would all be 0v ... like putting it thru a half rectifier like this...  but we (presumably) want a proper sine wave when it gets to the AE modular. there are plenty of modules in eurorack to 'solve this issue' e.g. BEFACO A*B+C ... (they are also generally very useful modules to have ) what we would do is first scale the voltages by half (so it runs -2.5v to 2.5 ... thus 5v peak to peak) , then we have offset it by 2.5v , i.e. move the centre, now we have a nice sine wave, 0..5v centred around 2.5v as AE is 'expecting'. (or should i say as an AE LFO would do) btw: this does not need to be precise, you can just listen to the effects the scaling/offsets are having on the 'target' in AE modular, and adjust to taste. (e.g. there is nothing 'wrong' with rectifying a wave, if thats what you want... it can be a nice effect in itself) also , many LFO in eurorack are unipolar, so might just need scaling , but audio signal are always bipolar, so if you want to use these as CV then they will need to be offset. |
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Post by bahm on Jul 3, 2019 17:26:28 GMT
A VCO module with this 3340 would be really cool. I I think tuning should be stable on them too. Also the other chips are nice. Link |
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jumpinjohnathon
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Post by jumpinjohnathon on Jul 4, 2019 6:03:37 GMT
Technobear, for a newbie (if you don't mind), when you say "offset before you send the CV", could you describe/illustrate how that would happen (sorry... big newb here in 'this genre').
no worries, all questions are good - hard to spot the wood for the trees sometimes ............ also , many LFO in eurorack are unipolar, so might just need scaling , but audio signal are always bipolar, so if you want to use these as CV then they will need to be offset. I thank you for your patience and information and the best thing is I learned a few things, so it's a good day!
Tanx!
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Post by sqrpeg on Jul 7, 2019 5:54:14 GMT
It would be super awesome to have any sort of touch controller; something like pressure points or a tkb
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Post by thundersound on Jul 8, 2019 17:31:44 GMT
A evolving CV based on events...
Explanation:
I would like to explore ambient and generative music.
There has been 1 idea for a while, and I do not think I have found an Eurorack or a AE module yet.
What I really would like is a evolving CV based on "events".
Events could be clock pulse / trigger / start of gate / end of gate / height of voltage (comparator) / peak detection, it could be a lot of different things.
But lets take a trigger as expample.
The module has a starting voltage Knob and/or CV input. So without Triggers it will output that voltage in the pitch output.
There is a trigger input, a trigger count Knob X (minimal 1 to 5), a voltage knob Y, and an pitch output.
So for every X triggers, the module adds a voltage of Y to the existing voltage.
Lets say the Starting Voltage Knob is set to 1V.
The Counter knob X to 2 triggers.
And the Voltage Knob to 0,1 V.
When the system starts the output is 1 V.
After the first trigger it is still 1V
But after the 2nd trigger the output is 1,1 V.
and after the 4th (next 2nd) trigger the output is 1,2 V.
I think there could be more lanes with inputs and knobs, and there could be different kind of events.
The lanes could be have their own outputs but it is also possible to have a combined output.
so 1 event could add a small voltage, and another could substract a small voltage and another resets to the base voltage for example.
And also something like a max.voltage, and things like direction, and a kind of bounce effect is also handy.
I am always prepared to share more thoughts about this module and also prepared to test work if needed.
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Post by bahm on Jul 10, 2019 15:30:53 GMT
A evolving CV based on events... Explanation: I would like to explore ambient and generative music. There has been 1 idea for a while, and I do not think I have found an Eurorack or a AE module yet. What I really would like is a evolving CV based on "events". Events could be clock pulse / trigger / start of gate / end of gate / height of voltage (comparator) / peak detection, it could be a lot of different things. But lets take a trigger as expample. The module has a starting voltage Knob and/or CV input. So without Triggers it will output that voltage in the pitch output. There is a trigger input, a trigger count Knob X (minimal 1 to 5), a voltage knob Y, and an pitch output. So for every X triggers, the module adds a voltage of Y to the existing voltage. Lets say the Starting Voltage Knob is set to 1V. The Counter knob X to 2 triggers. And the Voltage Knob to 0,1 V. When the system starts the output is 1 V. After the first trigger it is still 1V But after the 2nd trigger the output is 1,1 V. and after the 4th (next 2nd) trigger the output is 1,2 V. I think there could be more lanes with inputs and knobs, and there could be different kind of events. The lanes could be have their own outputs but it is also possible to have a combined output. so 1 event could add a small voltage, and another could substract a small voltage and another resets to the base voltage for example. And also something like a max.voltage, and things like direction, and a kind of bounce effect is also handy. I am always prepared to share more thoughts about this module and also prepared to test work if needed. You can do something like this already with the Triq164 and sequencers or the divider and sequencers or all three together although you only can have 5 added CVs (they aren't really added like in your example but it does the same) with one sequencer (at least with the current ae sequencer. With a normal style 16 Step sequencer you could have 16 CV values of course and if it could change running direction it would also go downwards like you describe. Resetting to start is already possible. As NightMachines is working on a sequencer its possible all you wish is doable with it. |
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Post by NightMachines on Jul 10, 2019 19:00:55 GMT
My upcoming sequencer will not work like that, bahm, but that’s a cool idea, thundersound. I will see that I try to DIY a module like this. Shouldn’t be too difficult actually with an Arduino and a DAC ... I might even have a spare DAC chip lying around here somewhere. Exciting! EDIT: actually, this might even work with an Arduino’s PWM outputs and a lowpass filter, which would mean that one could indeed get multiple CV outputs. I’ll sketch something out on the weekend |
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Post by thundersound on Jul 11, 2019 15:28:45 GMT
A evolving CV based on events... Explanation: I would like to explore ambient and generative music. There has been 1 idea for a while, and I do not think I have found an Eurorack or a AE module yet. What I really would like is a evolving CV based on "events". Events could be clock pulse / trigger / start of gate / end of gate / height of voltage (comparator) / peak detection, it could be a lot of different things. But lets take a trigger as expample. The module has a starting voltage Knob and/or CV input. So without Triggers it will output that voltage in the pitch output. There is a trigger input, a trigger count Knob X (minimal 1 to 5), a voltage knob Y, and an pitch output. So for every X triggers, the module adds a voltage of Y to the existing voltage. Lets say the Starting Voltage Knob is set to 1V. The Counter knob X to 2 triggers. And the Voltage Knob to 0,1 V. When the system starts the output is 1 V. After the first trigger it is still 1V But after the 2nd trigger the output is 1,1 V. and after the 4th (next 2nd) trigger the output is 1,2 V. I think there could be more lanes with inputs and knobs, and there could be different kind of events. The lanes could be have their own outputs but it is also possible to have a combined output. so 1 event could add a small voltage, and another could substract a small voltage and another resets to the base voltage for example. And also something like a max.voltage, and things like direction, and a kind of bounce effect is also handy. I am always prepared to share more thoughts about this module and also prepared to test work if needed. You can do something like this already with the Triq164 and sequencers or the divider and sequencers or all three together although you only can have 5 added CVs (they aren't really added like in your example but it does the same) with one sequencer (at least with the current ae sequencer. With a normal style 16 Step sequencer you could have 16 CV values of course and if it could change running direction it would also go downwards like you describe. Resetting to start is already possible. As NightMachines is working on a sequencer its possible all you wish is doable with it. Thx bahm I like that use of sequencer also. But my idea was to skip the sequencer, and have no preset values (only the starting point and the amount to add/substract), and let de events decide how many times the values will be added or substracted. So it can happen that in 1 minute there will be 10 addistions and no substraction, but the opposite is also possible. Or other times there will be only a small amount of changes in 10 minutes. depending on what is used as trigger for adding and what is used as trigger for substracting. I would say it is a bit between a LFO and a sequencer. But I see it as a supplement to mix with LFO or sequenced pitch, or other CV values. |
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Post by thundersound on Jul 11, 2019 15:34:04 GMT
My upcoming sequencer will not work like that, bahm , but that’s a cool idea, thundersound . I will see that I try to DIY a module like this. Shouldn’t be too difficult actually with an Arduino and a DAC ... I might even have a spare DAC chip lying around here somewhere. Exciting! EDIT: actually, this might even work with an Arduino’s PWM outputs and a lowpass filter, which would mean that one could indeed get multiple CV outputs. I’ll sketch something out on the weekend Ha NightMachines that would really be cool, I only can react with a big |
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Post by thundersound on Jul 16, 2019 14:05:47 GMT
I hope I did not oversee a module or suggestion, but one thing I think is missing is Line In / Out module.
The Master Module and de 4I/O module have Eurorack connections but no line or instrument connections.
I would like to see :
1 Line in - 1/4 Inch TRS Jack plug (Balanced / Stereo) - with a kind of panning (with a choise to keeping it 2 channels vs mixing it to 1 AE connection)
1 Line out - 1/4 Inch TRS Jack plug (Balanced / Stereo) - with a panning knop from 1 AE connection or when choosen 2 seperate channels out. (2 AE connections)
2 mono Sends channels - 1/4 Inch mono Jack.
2 mono Return channels - 1/4 Inch mono Jack
1 stereo headphone - jack.
The nicest way would be a MasterModule Plus or so.
So you can choose between the current one and a more complete one with these suggested options.
Another option could be to have a (Stero or 2 mono) Line In on the regular Master Module, and the (Stero or 2 mono) line out on the 4I/O module, and have a dedicated module for send/return/peddals/eventually with extra (mono or stereo) Line In connector.
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Post by bahm on Jul 16, 2019 14:43:19 GMT
The master and 4io can be used as audio in or out. Otherwise there wouldn't be a way to get the sound out of the synth. There are 3.5mm mono jacks. You just need an adapter to 6.35mm. These would just be too big for the small system I think.
4io can be used as stereo send and return.
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Post by thundersound on Jul 16, 2019 17:01:42 GMT
The master and 4io can be used as audio in or out. Otherwise there wouldn't be a way to get the sound out of the synth. There are 3.5mm mono jacks. You just need an adapter to 6.35mm. These would just be too big for the small system I think. 4io can be used as stereo send and return. Thx bahm On 1 side that sounds logical. But.. I have some eurorack modules, and for a good connection from/to line in/out connections we need to have separate modules. It is possible to connect line-out from an instrument to Eurorack, but the signal is not good. So there are special in (For example ladik 1 or 2 channel inputs) and out (for example Make Noise Rosie) modules. And also different send/return modules (for exampla Malekko Send/Return). The description of the master module (and the I/O module) says it is to connect with Eurorack, so that is why I did not thought/do not think that it is sufficient for connecting to other gear that uses balanced line inputs or outputs or rca jacks. Am I wrong about that ? |
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Post by admin on Jul 17, 2019 23:52:59 GMT
It is possible to connect line-out from an instrument to Eurorack, but the signal is not good. So there are special in (For example ladik 1 or 2 channel inputs) and out (for example Make Noise Rosie) modules. And also different send/return modules (for exampla Malekko Send/Return). The description of the master module (and the I/O module) says it is to connect with Eurorack, so that is why I did not thought/do not think that it is sufficient for connecting to other gear that uses balanced line inputs or outputs or rca jacks. Am I wrong about that ? While the 4I/O or the master module's I/O can be used as input or output to just about anything, sometimes a signal coming in, eg. from a Guitar might be too low. This is where you could use the SIGNALAMP module to amplify the signal. This could go both ways .. to strengthen incoming signals into the AE or to boost signals before sending them out. Here is the info page for the SIGNALAMP: www.tangiblewaves.com/store/p43/2SIGNALAMP.html |
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