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Post by MikMo on Oct 4, 2020 14:55:21 GMT
I haven't really recorded any music since i had a Juno 106, SH101 and TR707 way back when 4 track cassette was hot. I actually think i bought the first Juno106 sold in Denmark. Now i finally got the last bits an pieces and cables. I opted for simplest possible setup, Behringer U-control 202 and Audacity, just to not let devices and DAW settings throw me off. This is not really a track, more like a "noodle - doodle". But i quite like the FMOS -> Shimmer delay combo. When i listen to it played back as opposed to directly from my old nEar06 monitors i get the feeling that i have a lot to learn about recording. Remember i am a person for whom headroom indicates the space in your head that should have been occupied by grey matter. Thanks to Admin / Carsten, i followed his advice on recording to the last period.  soundcloud.com/mikmo-3/ae-test1P.S. The drums are too low - i know |
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Post by slowscape on Oct 5, 2020 17:28:37 GMT
Nice noodle doodle ^^
The progression is nice, did you you speak and spell on this??
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Post by MikMo on Oct 5, 2020 18:40:10 GMT
Thank you
No it's only a simple base line (2osc/d -> filter -> ADSR/VCA ) the kick and the drum. All the rest is FMOS with some careful modulation. The multiFX shimmer delay finishes it off.
I think it is the modulation of the FMOS + the shimmer delay that you hear as speak and spellish sounds.
The FMOS has many nice sounds when you start fiddling around with the modulation inputs. I just put the modulating LFO's through the 2att/cv so i don't get the full "swing" of the LFO.
EDIT:
The FMOS goes through the Delay before hitting the MultiFX. It's the same SEQ16 pattern driving both the baseline and the FMOS
I am not at all satisfied with the recording, it's kind of mushy with no separation. It's the first thing i recorded with my new simple Behringer interface and the default settings in Audacity.
I probably have to find some Audacity tutorials, to learn some techniques.
Mikael
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Post by slowscape on Oct 5, 2020 20:02:00 GMT
Aaah cool thanks for explaining that sound!
Generally doing some light EQ is all you really need. I usually push my low tones up a bit, get rid of some of the higher frequencies, then I usually notch out a frequency or two that might be “muddying” the sound
I also like audio editors that allow you to hear the change in real time. Audacity can become frustrating because it does not
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Post by MikMo on Oct 5, 2020 20:15:08 GMT
Good advice - thank you.
I can also hear now that i went overboard with the shimmer delay. It make the FMOS sound great. but it is also applied to all other sounds.
We need the performance mixer !!
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Post by martynaudio on Oct 8, 2020 6:49:54 GMT
Remember i am a person for whom headroom indicates the space in your head that should have been occupied by grey matter. Love this ha! ^ I've just been listening back and it's a lovely noodle for sure, I don't feel like the drums are too low personally,they seem quite balanced to me, and the delay works well! Getting some stereo separation is key to making things sound a bit bigger all round, even if it's just a light reverb - I have to add this in my DAW as I only have a mono signal path all the way through my AE at the moment. I've not used Audacity in years, but I'm sure it will let you drop a reverb with a wet / dry mix control on there if you wanted to give it a little more width and sparkle. |
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Post by MikMo on Oct 8, 2020 9:51:52 GMT
Thank you. My problem is not specifically related to Audacity. The real problem is my lack of experience with recording digital audio in general. The advice i get here is valuable for me. I just chose Audacity for the sake of simplicity. I will upgrade to something more advanced at some time. I just don't need 2000 options to put up trip wires for me right now |
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Post by admin on Oct 8, 2020 9:57:28 GMT
I also like audio editors that allow you to hear the change in real time. Audacity can become frustrating because it does not I've started to use Reaper with the ReaFir plugin which shows the frequency and EQ response very graphically. The cool thing is that it also acts as a compressor at the same time which is really handy. I'm glad MikMo, that you started recording by following my instructions "to a dot"  but please know that I'm really very much a beginner myself and that I defer to and bow before many of the more accomplished producers here on the forum, eg. spacedog, Lugia, NightMachines and others. |
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Post by admin on Oct 8, 2020 10:00:05 GMT
I just chose Audacity for the sake of simplicity. I will upgrade to something more advanced at some time. I just don't need 2000 options to put up trip wires for me right now That's also what I use! I record straight into Audacity, apply the Noisereduction to the track and then export as a WAV file. Then I import the WAV file to Reaper to do some light EQ with ReaFir. Really simple stuff. |
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Post by martynaudio on Oct 8, 2020 10:31:23 GMT
Why not record straight into Reaper ? Not that there's anything wrong with Audacity at all, but you can also manage MIDI in and Out to AE in Reaper as well 🙂
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Post by spacedog on Oct 8, 2020 10:39:20 GMT
I just chose Audacity for the sake of simplicity. I will upgrade to something more advanced at some time. I just don't need 2000 options to put up trip wires for me right now That's also what I use! I record straight into Audacity, apply the Noisereduction to the track and then export as a WAV file. Then I import the WAV file to Reaper to do some light EQ with ReaFir. Really simple stuff. Whilst Audacity is a very good (and free) audio tool, moving to Reaper does bring with it many benefits, not least of which is the real-time aspect of using plugins. It's also very well priced (IMO) and you can run it in evaluation mode past the period if you really want to do, you just get nag screens. Personally, I think it's a good price and it will take you into a different level of recording, mixing and mastering very easily.
To be fair, Reaper does also bring with it a learning curve, although I don't think it's too steep with a careful approach and there is a video for almost every aspect of it out there.
Combined with it are the vast number of legitimately free plugins, instruments, effects, tools, meters, etc. You can do everything for free and in great quality. Of course, you can also spend some money and get some excellent plugins ( I recommend the ValhallaDSP reverbs, for example) - and you can even spend a lot of money should that be of interest. I prefer (legitimately) free wherever possible.
Armed with a decent audio card and a computer, you can even run Reaper as a real-time effects box - your latency may prove too high if you don't have the power there though. I prefer setting up sounds, with effects in the real world and then feeding the output of a mixer into Reaper, but now I have more horsepower I can do a few more things and mixing and matching is always worthwhile (and fun).
Whilst we're looking at noise reduction specifically, RealFIR does a good job if set up properly (there are videos), although it's not that well known. Also, this free plugin appeared a while and an update just came out, it's also free. The free EQ analyser is great fun as well and that's been improving with each iteration. If you're interested, they're here. |
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Post by admin on Oct 8, 2020 10:40:39 GMT
Why not record straight into Reaper ? Not that there's anything wrong with Audacity at all, but you can also manage MIDI in and Out to AE in Reaper as well 🙂 My setup has weird noise and hum and the Noisereduction plugin in Audacity works wonders removing it from the recording. I haven't figured out how to do this in Reaper otherwise I would happily skip Audacity. |
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Post by martynaudio on Oct 8, 2020 10:46:43 GMT
Ah yes I see, I've been chatting to lots of folks recently who have issues with hum and noise - I spent a lot of time last month rewiring my studio to eliminate hums, which did help a lot. But noise and interference is more troublesome as I find it comes from my computer itself, I'm still working on a way to get rid of it!
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Post by admin on Oct 8, 2020 10:47:09 GMT
Whilst we're looking at noise reduction specifically, RealFIR does a good job if set up properly (there are videos), although it's not that well known. Also, this free plugin appeared a while and an update just came out, it's also free. The free EQ analyser is great fun as well and that's been improving with each iteration. If you're interested, they're here. Wow that is a great tip! I'll try this on my next recording. |
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Post by spacedog on Oct 8, 2020 10:50:59 GMT
Ah yes I see, I've been chatting to lots of folks recently who have issues with hum and noise - I spent a lot of time last month rewiring my studio to eliminate hums, which did help a lot. But noise and interference is more troublesome as I find it comes from my computer itself, I'm still working on a way to get rid of it! If you haven't, try one one of these. They really do work, and they should be cheap (less than 20GBP). There are many more expensive things to try, and USB earth loops are a real annoyance, but these really work for me. |
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Post by martynaudio on Oct 8, 2020 10:52:03 GMT
Ah yes I see, I've been chatting to lots of folks recently who have issues with hum and noise - I spent a lot of time last month rewiring my studio to eliminate hums, which did help a lot. But noise and interference is more troublesome as I find it comes from my computer itself, I'm still working on a way to get rid of it! If you haven't, try one one of these. They really do work, and they should be cheap (less than 20GBP). There are many more expensive things to try, and USB earth loops are a real annoyance, but these really work for me. cool thanks! I actually solved most of the hum so you can barely hear it now unless monitoring at very high levels. The interference from the PC is harder to overcome though it seems |
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Post by arti on Oct 16, 2020 18:40:27 GMT
Ah yes I see, I've been chatting to lots of folks recently who have issues with hum and noise - I spent a lot of time last month rewiring my studio to eliminate hums, which did help a lot. But noise and interference is more troublesome as I find it comes from my computer itself, I'm still working on a way to get rid of it! If you haven't, try one one of these. They really do work, and they should be cheap (less than 20GBP). There are many more expensive things to try, and USB earth loops are a real annoyance, but these really work for me. Confirmed! I've bought one recently, following spacedog advice, and the hum is destroyed |
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Post by arti on Oct 16, 2020 18:42:39 GMT
Ah yes I see, I've been chatting to lots of folks recently who have issues with hum and noise - I spent a lot of time last month rewiring my studio to eliminate hums, which did help a lot. But noise and interference is more troublesome as I find it comes from my computer itself, I'm still working on a way to get rid of it! What do You mean by rewiring? New cables? If so - what kind of cables can make the difference? |
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Post by martynaudio on Oct 20, 2020 9:47:44 GMT
Ah yes I see, I've been chatting to lots of folks recently who have issues with hum and noise - I spent a lot of time last month rewiring my studio to eliminate hums, which did help a lot. But noise and interference is more troublesome as I find it comes from my computer itself, I'm still working on a way to get rid of it! What do You mean by rewiring? New cables? If so - what kind of cables can make the difference? I bought a new power supply and wired most of my studio from that one source, new cables to replace old audio cables, but the biggest difference came from cable placement, making sure that audio, power and data cables were separated. It was quite a big job but it helped a lot! |
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but please know that I'm really very much a beginner myself and that I defer to and bow before many of the more accomplished producers here on the forum, eg. 
