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Post by handclap on Sept 22, 2020 3:23:02 GMT
Greetings from Melbourne Australia I'm a modular synth noob. I currently have Korg Volca Sample (which I'll keep) and Korg Monotribe and Behringer td-3 (I'm planning on selling these to make way for my AE modular). I'm interested in making drone/minimal techno. Would anyone be able to please give me feedback on my rack configuration? Master / 2osc / 2env / 2vca / 2lfo / vco / delay / seq8 / algoddrone Do I need to add a mixer for the algoddrone? Would I be better off with the multifx and ditching some modules? If so which ones? Appreciate your help Thanks x
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Post by admin on Sept 22, 2020 3:37:40 GMT
Hi handclap, with a tiny system like this you really need to limit yourself to the essentials of what you want to do. For instance you might want to consider swapping the MASTER module for the smaller POWER module if you don't want to use MIDI. That would give you space to add a MIXER 4-4 which is essential IMHO. I don't think you'd have space for the MultiFX so probably getting that outboard (Zoom MS-70CDR is a nice cheap option) or go for a bigger case?
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Post by handclap on Sept 22, 2020 4:52:55 GMT
Thanks for your super quick reply โบ๏ธ
I read a bit more about the algodrone and perhaps it will sound a bit harsh for me. I currently have no FX in my set up so I'm really keen for that.
Now I'm thinking:
Power / wavetables / mixer / 2lfo / vco / multifx / seq16
Is the seq16 worth the 4 modules it takes up or is it better to use seq8 and include 2env and 2osc?
Thanks โ๐ผ
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Post by admin on Sept 22, 2020 5:07:15 GMT
You definitely need the 2ENV and 2VCA modules. Seq8 should be fine to start with.
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Post by handclap on Sept 22, 2020 6:15:47 GMT
Ok great thanks ๐
Is there a way to sync my Volca Sample to my rack?
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Post by lukylutte on Sept 22, 2020 6:22:29 GMT
Considering the space. I'd start with a SAWVOX and a GRAINS instead of wavetable. The Sawvox has VCA and filter! Even so, Sawvox is not in the same spirit as the wavetable. With multi effects and a GRAIN with the lo-fi multi effect install in it, you should have plenty of sound possibilities for drone and minimal techno. Also if you don't like the Lo-fi multieffect from the Grains you can put the wavetable firmware in it
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Post by admin on Sept 22, 2020 6:22:30 GMT
Ok great thanks ๐ Is there a way to sync my Volca Sample to my rack? Yes! I made a video about this: Do check out my Getting Started series of videos, those should answer a few questions for you
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Post by lukylutte on Sept 22, 2020 6:26:23 GMT
Ok great thanks ๐ Is there a way to sync my Volca Sample to my rack? Yes with the sync out of the volca into the I/O on the power module. From power module into sync input of the seq8... Or other way around is also possible form trigger or lfo into the volca sync input (using the power module as interface). Edit: Yep easier to check the good video
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Post by 101 on Sept 22, 2020 8:09:44 GMT
Can I ask why you are selling the TD3? I quite like the look of those, and its got pattern chaining as a feature.
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Post by leytonthorne on Sept 22, 2020 8:22:09 GMT
Hi handclap , with a tiny system like this you really need to limit yourself to the essentials of what you want to do. For instance you might want to consider swapping the MASTER module for the smaller POWER module if you don't want to use MIDI. That would give you space to add a MIXER 4-4 which is essential IMHO. I don't think you'd have space for the MultiFX so probably getting that outboard (Zoom MS-70CDR is a nice cheap option) or go for a bigger case? I second the addition of the MIXER 4-4. A lot of fun can be had when you blend different waveforms from the 2OSC/d.
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Post by Jihel on Sept 22, 2020 8:34:42 GMT
+ one filter, Wasp Filter or MS20 Filter.
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Post by handclap on Sept 22, 2020 8:35:34 GMT
Can I ask why you are selling the TD3? I quite like the look of those, and its got pattern chaining as a feature. It sounds great and perfert for acid tracks but I'm selling because I find the workflow a bit convoluted. Please note I picked up my first synth in April so I am very much still learning ๐ถ๐ป
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Post by admin on Sept 22, 2020 9:33:13 GMT
Hello handclap, Since you seem to be really new to the concept of modular synthesis I would really advise you to just go with the standard Rack 1 or 2. It offers all the modules you need to do really any kind of music and also is a great learning platform. If you want you can maybe get rid of the VCO, Noise and S&H modules and instead add the MultiFX and Seq8. The standard Rack 1 is also 16 units wide so that gives you a bit more room than you may have thought. I also recommend now that you stick with the Master module as it gives you more input and output options. I warned you before ... you will get many different opinions here on the forum, all well meaning, but all coming from people that are on different stages of their synth journey. For a beginner we usually always say: stick to the standard rack and work your way up from there.
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Post by spacedog on Sept 22, 2020 11:47:54 GMT
Hello handclap , Since you seem to be really new to the concept of modular synthesis I would really advise you to just go with the standard Rack 1 or 2. It offers all the modules you need to do really any kind of music and also is a great learning platform. If you want you can maybe get rid of the VCO, Noise and S&H modules and instead add the MultiFX and Seq8. The standard Rack 1 is also 16 units wide so that gives you a bit more room than you may have thought. I also recommend now that you stick with the Master module as it gives you more input and output options. I warned you before ... you will get many different opinions here on the forum, all well meaning, but all coming from people that are on different stages of their synth journey. For a beginner we usually always say: stick to the standard rack and work your way up from there. This is so true and reminds of of what happens at work sometimes. We'll have a simple question, but by asking it of four people, about eight answers appear. The aame happens here, to a degree, and it's not that any of the responses are right or wrong, it's about using the response and tailoring it to your need, which only you will really know. Some parts of some responses will resonate, and some won't. I've been thinking that there are a lot of this type of question, and I understand why. The FAQ mentions a few good points on thinking about an initial purchase and (for what it's worth), I think that the AE Modular format is such that it's hard to make a really bad mistake, and certainly making one that costs a lot of money is going to take a lot of hard work. The two-row starter really does get you going with respect to almost any style and level of expertise. Known specific needs can be fitted in reasonably well at the start, if they're known - for example, I knew that I wanted a sequencer and an extra filter. From there, it's really easy to build up in a direction driven by your needs, likes and experiences from the starter. The only real issue is time. If you're wanting to move fast, you'll likely be hampered by the speed of production, although that's really got a lot faster recently. That time does provide time for experimentation, although many people find themselves constantly adding to their orders as new modules appear, or an old one takes their fancy. My Point...? Well, if you know modular, and you know what you wnat to achieve, that's great, you can jump straight in with a big order. A few of us might have an idea of what we want to achieve and what we need to do it, so a starter plus some specific modules is in order. For the rest of us, a starter is an excellent way to go and maybe adding one or two useful modules (e.g. MULTIFX, one of the sequencers, or some CV processing) gets the ball rolling. Trying to solve the whole thing in one hit is really for the first group of people in the list above and even then they're going to buy more So, it really does come down to getting going and then building. I have quite a few modules now in a box as I'm determined to stick to three rows for as long as I can. Modules are reasonably cheap and can always be brought back into service. If you make a real mistake (which is difficult, unless it's the whole thing), you can always trade it on. I sold my MM-DIVIDER for a price that suited both of us and that worked out well.
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Post by spacedog on Sept 22, 2020 11:51:49 GMT
Can I ask why you are selling the TD3? I quite like the look of those, and its got pattern chaining as a feature. It sounds great and perfert for acid tracks but I'm selling because I find the workflow a bit convoluted. Please note I picked up my first synth in April so I am very much still learning ๐ถ๐ป I had a TB-303 back in the early 80's and I absolutely hated it. It was a pig to work with, it was completely non-intuitive, and I really didn't like the sound. I sold it for a pittance, just to be rid of it. I did keep the TR-606 and a few other drum machines that came after it - they did gel with me, both in workflow and sounds. Of course, not long after I sold my 303 (for 50GBP), I saw the price rocket up to over 1000GBP. Whilst it was annoying, I still wasn't sad that I sold mine, and I'm still not sad
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Post by handclap on Sept 22, 2020 12:25:41 GMT
Hello handclap , Since you seem to be really new to the concept of modular synthesis I would really advise you to just go with the standard Rack 1 or 2. It offers all the modules you need to do really any kind of music and also is a great learning platform. If you want you can maybe get rid of the VCO, Noise and S&H modules and instead add the MultiFX and Seq8. The standard Rack 1 is also 16 units wide so that gives you a bit more room than you may have thought. I also recommend now that you stick with the Master module as it gives you more input and output options. I warned you before ... you will get many different opinions here on the forum, all well meaning, but all coming from people that are on different stages of their synth journey. For a beginner we usually always say: stick to the standard rack and work your way up from there. This is so true and reminds of of what happens at work sometimes. We'll have a simple question, but by asking it of four people, about eight answers appear. The aame happens here, to a degree, and it's not that any of the responses are right or wrong, it's about using the response and tailoring t to your need, which only you will really know. Some parts of some responses will resonate, and some won't. I've been thinking that there are a lot of this type of question, and I understand why. The FAQ mentions a few good points on thinking about an initial purchase and (for what it's worth), I think that the AE Modular format is such that it's hard to make a really bad mistake, and crtainly making one that costs a lot of money is going to take a lot of hard work. The two-row starter really does get you going with respect to almost any style and level of expertise. Known specific neeeds can be fitted in reasonably welll at the start, if they're known - for example, I knew that I wanted a sequencer and an extra filter. From there, it's really easy to build up in a direction driven by your needs, likes and experiences from the starter. The only real issue is time. If you're wanting to move fast, you'll likely be hampered by the speed of production, although that's really got a lot faster recently. That time does provide time for experimentation, although many people find themselves constantly adding to their orders as new modules appear, or an old one takes their fancy. My Point...? Well, if you know modular, and you know what you wnat to achieve, that's great, you can jump straight in with a big order. A few of us might have an idea of what we want to achieve and what we need to do it, so a starter plus some specific modules is in order. For the rest of us, a starter is an excellent way to go and maybe adding one or two useful modules (e.g. MULTIFX, one of the sequencers, or some CV processing) gets the ball rolling. Trying to solve the whole thing in one hit is really for the first group of people in the list above and even then they're going to buy moreย ย So, it really does come down to getting going and then building. I have quite a few modules now in a box as I'm determined to stick too three rows for as long as I can. Modules are reasonably cheap and can always be brought back into service. If you make a real mistake (which is difficult, unless it's the whole thing), you can always trade it on. I sold my MM-DIVIDER for a price that suited both of us and that worked out well. You are right, I've been trying to solve something that I haven't started creating ๐๐ผ Thanks for creating a safe space where a noob like me can ask all my silly questions without judgement ๐
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Post by Lugia on Sept 23, 2020 1:58:36 GMT
Well, here's another way of putting it...
I do a lot over on Modulargrid in helping users design and correct builds there. But my MAIN modular system is an AE.
While I definitely know the tech in Eurorack, the fact is that it's become too damn expensive. This is pretty much what Dieter Doepfer did NOT want to happen. His aim for the A100 series, which started this off, was to come up with a modular system that was both comprehensive AND affordable. And right now, we ain't got that over there, or at least, you would have to do some VERY careful module selection to arrive at something of the same power AND COST as the AE. I tried building a Eurorack version of my system once...it wound up costing about $23k. My price thus far (still adding bits) for my AE has been about $4000.
I think a lot of the problem comes from the fact that manufacturers are making these be-all, do-all modules that consist of a bunch of "primitives" under one panel. And while that's convenient, it also keeps you from learning how things REALLY work behind the panels. AE doesn't do that. Instead, we get the "primitive" modules that make up those, and should we want, we can also subset modules together to make some of those overpriced whizbangers for a lot less, even if it might take several modules to equal what one certain Eurorack module might be capable of. Also, if we weren't jazzed by some function on the Eurorack module being emulated, we can work out a solution that works better for US. And this'll only keep getting better as Robert cooks up new circuitry for us to abuse.
My suggestion would be to start with a Starter 2. It's no "crippleware" device, has open slots for additions, and it's actually a lot more rugged than you'd think; one colleague of mine who does live techno sets has used his a number of times on live gigs (even with air travel!) and it's like a frickin' Timex watch: takes a lickin', keeps on tickin'. And expansion is just as easy as hopping on the site and ordering up a pile of new widgets, then waiting as his Professional Soldering Gnomes assemble the scary new thingummys on demand. Very direct, very easy to contact the user base (as you can see here!), and SO much easier than trying to coordinate around a slew of companies making excuses for why you don't have their expensive new whatever-the-hell in hand yet.
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Post by slowscape on Sept 23, 2020 2:03:15 GMT
I second what Jihel said, you will want a filter.
The ms20 filter can actually double as a sinewave when it self resonates and will get you some really nice smooth sounds.
If you check out my latest video on youtube you will see that one in action.
PS. If you are after smoother sounds, the multifx is also essential in my opinion.
PPS. Since it looks like you will have an external sequencer nearby, you may be able to switch out the seq8/16 modules for one of the above.
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Post by leytonthorne on Sept 26, 2020 9:56:27 GMT
Lugia Amen to the Starter 2 rack. I bought one just under a year ago, but I've had to concede defeat and expand the setup. The first rack is now full, and the recent additions to the product range (ADSR, etc.) swung it for me. But I'm really kidding myself, because expanding the AE was always on the cards.
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Post by rockysmalls on Sept 26, 2020 11:40:11 GMT
Hi handclap , with a tiny system like this you really need to limit yourself to the essentials of what you want to do. For instance you might want to consider swapping the MASTER module for the smaller POWER module if you don't want to use MIDI. That would give you space to add a MIXER 4-4 which is essential IMHO. I don't think you'd have space for the MultiFX so probably getting that outboard (Zoom MS-70CDR is a nice cheap option) or go for a bigger case? yes.. i recommend the single U power module... it has the headphone switchable output... which is nice .. not so useful if you want midi of course!! i would recommend the 4ATTMIX over the MM 4-4 .. itโs slightly more flexible in what it can do but still can mix four audio signals PLUS i have found that the MM4-4 wonโt entirely silence any signal when the knobs are all the way down ,,, whereas the ATTMIX will do that... so if you need to absolutely silence yr channels the ATTMIX is essential ... but yes you absolutely need a mixer module.. definitely a filter.. SVFILT is a nice balance with lp/bp/hp outputs and often overlooked in favour of the more interestingly coloured Ms20 or Wasp.. but for Beefy go MS20.. the Nyle even. if you can find space... you can get Algodrone stuff out of the Grains module ... if you need to save space and money anyway,,, thats my tuppence worth to add to all the great advice coming in... guaranteed fun... whichever way you swing it...
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