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Post by admin on May 27, 2020 6:21:24 GMT
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Post by lukylutte on May 27, 2020 7:30:30 GMT
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Post by Lugia on May 27, 2020 23:17:43 GMT
So simple...and so brilliant! The addition of the pulse-on-CV change feature really opens up loads of possibilities; you could make use of one channel of this as a derivator-type comparator, for example. And the scale choices are great for equal-temperament, as you get ALL of the classical modes, both main pentatonics, and a few other tricks. And...FOUR CHANNELS!!! Good lord...there's Eurorack makers charging more than twice as much for quantizers that only have ONE!
This is yet another one of those amazing AE things that, yet again, begs the question "Why did you spend $20k on that huge thing that takes up half the room?" Robert knocks yet another dinger right outta the park!
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Post by NightMachines on Jun 24, 2020 17:48:22 GMT
Quantizer controlling the pitch of three oscillators. Sound triggering by the MM-DIV with shift modulation by a S&H (the MM-DIV rules!!!). http://instagram.com/p/CBs-PtOq41d The offset (transpose) knob on the quantizer was a really good idea! It offsets all inputs so you can change the mood of a piece quickly while keeping it in tune. |
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Post by arti on Jun 24, 2020 19:24:03 GMT
The offset (transpose) knob on the quantizer was a really good idea! It offsets all inputs so you can change the mood of a piece quickly while keeping it in tune. I love the offset capabilities You've mentioned! Which oscillator modules were used here? I have 2osc and VCO (without digitaly controlled stability) and I wonder how it goes along with the Quantizer. |
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Post by NightMachines on Jun 24, 2020 19:40:01 GMT
Which oscillator modules were used here? I have 2osc and VCO (without digitaly controlled stability) and I wonder how it goes along with the Quantizer. I still need to try this out in more detail. I assume that the range might be limited when mixing different oscillators, but that’s to be expected. |
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Post by arti on Jun 25, 2020 8:23:17 GMT
NightMachines , I assume it's not only me who would be pleased with some teasers of SAWVOX and FMOS sounds. So, would You be so kind? 
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Post by NightMachines on Jun 25, 2020 8:57:29 GMT
NightMachines , I assume it's not only me who would be pleased with some teasers of SAWVOX and FMOS sounds. So, would You be so kind? Hehe, good eye I don't have the FMOS, but I do have a (preproduction model, I think) of the SAWVOX indeed. |
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Post by feijai on Oct 10, 2023 12:14:01 GMT
I just picked up a Quantizer and am wondering about a few things:
- Can the firmware be revised or updated, either in the field by me, or at Tangible Waves? The Quantizer has some interesting but less common scales, like Whole Tone or Hungarian Minor. But the Quantizer is missing two MUCH more widely used scales, especially for synthesizers -- Blues major (C E F Gb G Bb C) and especially Blues minor! (C Eb F Gb G Bb B). That is a very surprising omission!! No, Pentatonic doesn't cut it: there's no blues note. Is there any way I could add these?
- In English, "Gypsy" in increasingly considered a racial slur: perhaps the name should be changed for future modules (or changed to Blues Minor!)
- I think the Wiki might have an incorrect description of the OFFSET knob. It says "Select from up to 12 notes from the well-tempered scale as base-value, depending on the scale selected. All left would be equivalent to a key of C". I'm not sure what the second sentence means, it's confusing, but it sound like the first sentence implies that the offset knob does transposition, but it does not, right? I think it just adds an offset value to the incoming CV. If you had the scale tuned to (say) C major, it stays C major.
- The lock button seems to only affect the Scale knob, not (as I would have imagined!) the much more sensitive offset knob.
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Post by tIB on Oct 10, 2023 16:28:11 GMT
I just picked up a Quantizer and am wondering about a few things:
- Can the firmware be revised or updated, either in the field by me, or at Tangible Waves? The Quantizer has some interesting but less common scales, like Whole Tone or Hungarian Minor. But the Quantizer is missing two MUCH more widely used scales, especially for synthesizers -- Blues major (C E F Gb G Bb C) and especially Blues minor! (C Eb F Gb G Bb B). That is a very surprising omission!! No, Pentatonic doesn't cut it: there's no blues note. Is there any way I could add these?
- In English, "Gypsy" in increasingly considered a racial slur: perhaps the name should be changed for future modules (or changed to Blues Minor!)
- I think the Wiki might have an incorrect description of the OFFSET knob. It says "Select from up to 12 notes from the well-tempered scale as base-value, depending on the scale selected. All left would be equivalent to a key of C". I'm not sure what the second sentence means, it's confusing, but it sound like the first sentence implies that the offset knob does transposition, but it does not, right? I think it just adds an offset value to the incoming CV. If you had the scale tuned to (say) C major, it stays C major.
- The lock button seems to only affect the Scale knob, not (as I would have imagined!) the much more sensitive offset knob.
With the offset knob question that is transpose - if you offset a scale by a semitone, eg c to c sharp, the scales root shifts to c sharp and therefore the scale is transposed. With the gypsy 'slur' perhaps a redesign is required when gypsy jazz gets the PC treatment. Re scales I don't think that's an option - some of the people all of the time etc - though I believe the Ornament and crime has a greater range of options, including custom scales. They do use the term gypsy though so there's that. |
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Post by feijai on Oct 10, 2023 16:41:25 GMT
With the offset knob question that is transpose - if you offset a scale by a semitone, eg c to c sharp, the scales root shifts to c sharp and therefore the scale is transposed. Wait, you're saying that offset transposes the scale? I don't think that's right. I hear you: but including Whole Tone instead of Blues Minor is like including Major Locrian but not Major. One scale really *is* used far, far more than the other. There are some unusual, and perhaps unfortunate, scale choices here. :-(
As to Gypsy: the Romani really do consider Gypsy to be a bad slur: think "being gypped". And Tangible Waves is in a country with an unfortunate Romani history, so I'm sure they're sensitive to that. But unlike Gypsy Jazz, the "Gypsy scale" already has a more common name that could be slotted in instead: Hungarian Minor. Or double harmonic minor. Might be smart.
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Post by tIB on Oct 10, 2023 16:59:49 GMT
Wait, you're saying that offset transposes the scale? I don't think that's right. I'm probably not going to explain this well... Quantisers convert/round to fixed intervals based on the scale set. In terms of 1v/Oct those intervals will be same whether playing from c, c sharp, d or whatever. All the offset is doing is setting the start point - you could of course also do this on the oscillator itself. While I appreciate that, the ones in the quantiser are the ones in there - perhaps the scales on a pic chip and could be changed if you have the facility to burn pics? I'm really not sure though I haven't seen it offered as an option. Robert might chip in (pun!), though really the O_c solves that issue with its custom scales as mentioned. Fair enough - I've no horse in this race though would say that the term does relate to that genre and is already on the panel, as well as plenty of other quantisers I've used. I personally don't see an issue with the use of that term in a musical context but YMMV. |
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Post by feijai on Oct 10, 2023 17:31:47 GMT
I'm probably not going to explain this well... Quantisers convert/round to fixed intervals based on the scale set. In terms of 1v/Oct those intervals will be same whether playing from c, c sharp, d or whatever. All the offset is doing is setting the start point - you could of course also do this on the oscillator itself. Right, but I don't think that's what the offset knob does. It's not changing the fundamental of the scale. I think it's adding to the incoming CV value prior to quantization. This is quite different from changing the oscillator pitch, right? |
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Post by tIB on Oct 10, 2023 18:28:56 GMT
I'm probably not going to explain this well... Quantisers convert/round to fixed intervals based on the scale set. In terms of 1v/Oct those intervals will be same whether playing from c, c sharp, d or whatever. All the offset is doing is setting the start point - you could of course also do this on the oscillator itself. Right, but I don't think that's what the offset knob does. It's not changing the fundamental of the scale. I think it's adding to the incoming CV value prior to quantization. This is quite different from changing the oscillator pitch, right? Ah, are you saying the offset is pre quantisation? If so yes, that wouldn't be correct. What you'd want is the offset after the quantisation in terms of setting the base pitch for the scale. That said, I always found it just as easy to set my base pitch on the oscillator itself, although granted that that's not so easy with the tiny knobs and (often) lack of fine tuning. |
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Post by feijai on Oct 10, 2023 18:56:36 GMT
Right, but I don't think that's what the offset knob does. It's not changing the fundamental of the scale. I think it's adding to the incoming CV value prior to quantization. This is quite different from changing the oscillator pitch, right? Ah, are you saying the offset is pre quantisation? If so yes, that wouldn't be correct. What you'd want is the offset after the quantisation in terms of setting the base pitch for the scale. Well, I don't know if you'd necessarily not want it: but the wiki documentation is confusing and doesn't seem to match what the offset is doing. |
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Post by tIB on Oct 10, 2023 19:43:30 GMT
Ah, are you saying the offset is pre quantisation? If so yes, that wouldn't be correct. What you'd want is the offset after the quantisation in terms of setting the base pitch for the scale. Well, I don't know if you'd necessarily not want it: but the wiki documentation is confusing and doesn't seem to match what the offset is doing. What I mean is that pre-quant. any offset would just move the root note up that scale, not offset the scale itself as my understanding is that would need to be after the quant. Without testing I'm not sure which is happening, though the easiest way to find out would be to sweep the offset knob - it it's stepped it'll be pre quantisation, if not it'll be post. |
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Post by funbun on Oct 10, 2023 20:25:42 GMT
Yeah, the offset moves the bass note up the scale. The scale remains the same as selected in the menu. In other words:
Aeolian Scale (Minor) no offset
A-B-C-D-E-F-G-A
Aeolian Scale (Minor) offset equates to one scale degree up:
B-C-D-E-F-G-A-B
Aeolian Scale (Minor) offset equates to three scale degrees up:
C-D-E-F-G-A-B-C
Aeolian Scale (Minor) offset equates to four scale degrees up:
D-E-F-G-A-B-C-D
Aeolian Scale (Minor) offset equates to five scale degrees up:
E-F-G-A-B-C-D-E
Aeolian Scale (Minor) offset equates to six scale degrees up:
F-G-A-B-C-D-E-F
Aeolian Scale (Minor) offset equates to seven scale degrees up:
G-A-B-C-D-E-F-G
The wording pre- and post-quantised gets confusing, but when you twist the knob, it simply moves up the selected scale in a step-wise motion. The scale itself never changes until you select a different scale form the menu.
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Post by tIB on Oct 10, 2023 20:34:30 GMT
Yeah, the offset moves the bass note up the scale. The scale remains the same as selected in the menu. In other word: Aeolian Scale (Minor) no offset A-B-C-D-E-F-G-A Aeolian Scale (Minor) offset equates to one scale degree: B-C-D-E-F-G-A-B Aeolian Scale (Minor) offset equates to three scale degrees: C-D-E-F-G-A-B-C Aeolian Scale (Minor) offset equates to four scale degrees: D-E-F-G-A-B-C-D Aeolian Scale (Minor) offset equates to five scale degrees: E-F-G-A-B-C-D-E Aeolian Scale (Minor) offset equates to six scale degrees: F-G-A-B-C-D-E-F Aeolian Scale (Minor) offset equates to seven scale degrees: G-A-B-C-D-E-F-G The wording pre- and post-quantised gets confusing, but when you twist the knob, it simply moves up the selected scale in a step-wise motion. the scale itself never changes until you select a different scale form the menu. Good explanation! My take is that it's not changing the root note of the scale, it's just changing the start note within that scale. To change the root note you'd need to do that after the quantiser - easiest way is to set the root note with your oscillator tuning. Fwiw I don't see any of this as an issue with the quantiser, though the text at the wiki isn't right. |
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Post by funbun on Oct 10, 2023 21:09:03 GMT
Correct: It changes the starting note of the scale.
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Post by feijai on Oct 14, 2023 21:50:26 GMT
Am I correct in my observation that the Quantizer only has a 0...4V (4-octave) range?
[Actually for a while my Quantizer was only providing a 2-octave range, then it started behaving properly. Dunno what was going on there]
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