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Post by funbun on Mar 21, 2020 15:34:53 GMT
If so how do you go about saving them?
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Post by Lugia on Mar 21, 2020 19:02:27 GMT
Oh, boy...the horror that are "dope sheets". These work nicely for prepatched stuff, but pretty much NOT for modular, mainly because you'd have to draw the patch layout on top of the panel diagram with the knob settings. The end result tends to look like refrigerator art created by a profoundly disturbed individual.
Instead, I worked out something decades ago that seems to work better. Not as all-in-1 as a dope sheet, but hey...
First up, your knob settings. Only list the controls that have a specific setting or which change, and then do so as a list...not a diagram. Anything that doesn't change or have a specific setting is assumed to be at "zero" or some similar setting. Once the control settings are in place, then the patch itself, and for that I just use a shorthand that looks something like...
VCO1 out -> SVF1 in SVF1 out -> DRF in (these are from a piece using my Digisound, fyi) DRF out -> MIXER1 in EG1 out -> SVF1 CV EG2 out -> MIXER1 pan CV
...and so on. While this looks sort of kludgy, believe me, it's not; I've used this notation method for some 25 years for recording _specific_ modular patches for works where I need to replicate the patches at a later date, such as for live performance. But you'll notice that I said "specific" patches that require replication...most of the time, I just tear into things and deliberately DO NOT make any notes on patches. That way, I keep exploring instead of laying back on a pile of in-reserve patches, and since I know what instruments in my studio do which things better (although some new exploration will be needed after this huge refit), there's not too much blundering around.
That is, unless the project is created around simply blundering around. That method does yield results sometimes...
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Post by slowscape on Mar 21, 2020 21:41:05 GMT
Someone on the forum made a python program to help do this, but the issue was, most people had no idea how to use it. I wanted to work on a more user friendly version, but after my son was born quickly ran out of time
This is why I've chosen to record videos of my patches in use rather than simply recording the sound. If I ever wanted to remember how I got a specific sound I can now go back and look at my videos.
That being said, I've found the more you use the modular, the more you understand it. So instead of randomly patching, you can think before hand and get fairly close to the specific sound you are looking for without much effort (no I didn't think I'd ever be saying that!) No "saving" necessary
OH, PS.
It's handy to have a note pad next to your modular. This way you can leave notes for yourself if your patch spans multiple days of building and using.
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Post by Lugia on Mar 21, 2020 23:22:27 GMT
I've found the more you use the modular, the more you understand it. So instead of randomly patching, you can think before hand and get fairly close to the specific sound you are looking for without much effort (no I didn't think I'd ever be saying that!) No "saving" necessary Precisely. It's sort of like working with any other tool...once you know what it does, what it's for, how it's used, and you're comfortable with that...well, there you are.
F'rinstance, the VCOs on my Digisound 80. They have no octave switches...just "coarse" and "fine" tune knobs that sweep from tens of seconds to ultrasound. But after using them for some time, I knew that if I wanted LFO-type behavior, I set the knobs to X, Y and Z...and if I needed bass, then...well, you get the idea. It's not that you want to precisely log the settings and such; part of the beauty (or annoyance) of modular synths is that tiny adjustments can result in HUGE sonic differences, and by avoiding this sort of "precision", you open up other possibilities for "accidents" and, thereby, your music evolves.
This is a huge part of why I try to NOT use memory settings on synths that have usable controls. In some cases you have no choice; not saving a patch to memory on, say, a Kawai K5 would be a massive mistake. And in a few others, like I describe above, it's necessary to save something that'll be used repeatedly for live performance. But...well, take the example of my CS-80. I think I've opened its "memory hole" lid more times to show how utterly MAD the "patch memory" is than to store settings. Plus, in that case, you have ZERO guarantees that what you've saved is precisely what you've programmed, since it's never possible to replicate the panel settings on those teensy-weensy memory panels...which is sort of a plus in that it opens up the accident potential yet again, but it's still loads easier to start grabbing "live" tabs and sliders on the fly and having at the sound directly. But again, I know what all those funny-colored thingummys are and what they do...and they're THERE to be screwed around with, unlike the aforementioned K5, which pretty much just has buttons and an alpha-dial.
Also, getting "stuck" on a modular patch isn't quite the same problem as the sort of sonic painting-yourself-into-a-corner that you can run into on single-entry-method synths. An example from decades ago that comes to mind is from my synthesis proficiency project back in my first undergrad year in 1981...
We had to submit a tape that had some specific requirements for sound sources, and one of these was to have a tone cluster of three sine waves. But the dirty trick there is that, between the ARP 2600 and the EML 400/401, we DID NOT HAVE three oscillators that outputted sines. Just two. Hmmm...BUT...while using a resonant filter was "off limits" for reshaping, the prof said NOTHING about NONresonant ones...and hey, presto, there's a patchable slew limiter on the 2600, and I can get a spare triangle wave, soooooooo... Long story short, I definitely passed the proficiency, AND got extra points for the explanation of the patch and how I was able to get the three pitches in only one pass, without overdubbing, on a problem that was solved by the rest of the class by overdubbing that last pitch onto the other two.
But this is what you get when you know your tools. A lot of the class didn't know that a slew limiter can be used as a lowpass-ish "wave smoother" on triangle waves to back the few harmonics that are there down to a much lower (and sine-like) level. I read the textbook, though...but also, I'd spent a lot of time in the EM studio with the 2600 (and the EML, later on) getting used to what it did and how, and I'd gotten to see (on the studio's scope) how the harmonic reduction worked with the slew limiter, and that time was far more of a key to solving the problem than just poking at the textbook. Had there NOT been a slew limiter that I could patch into...well, that would've been a problem, yes, and then I'd had to have fired up the 4-track. When you have no way to alter the signal paths in your synth, getting stuck is far more likely than if you have ZERO signal paths prepatched.
So, sure...saving patches CAN be useful. But it's not quite as useful as simply sitting down and getting to know your tools.
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Post by rodney on Mar 25, 2020 5:15:14 GMT
saving patches is the work of the devil (as is the keyboard).
now, get off my lawn.
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Post by Lugia on Mar 25, 2020 21:50:45 GMT
saving patches is the work of the devil (as is the keyboard). And this is why I've specially-engineered a data entry device here which uses bicycle horns instead of keys. 100,000 circus seals can't be wrong!!!
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Post by pol on Mar 26, 2020 8:18:42 GMT
I just take a photo with my phone, if something is particularly important to to the sound I do a close up of that part of the panel.
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Post by admin on Mar 27, 2020 1:18:59 GMT
If so how do you go about saving them? Sorry for the late reply here, but this was discussed a while ago and many people have different ways of approaching this: forum.aemodular.com/thread/62/ae-modular-templateI have tried documenting my patches in various ways, but stopped doing it as it was just too tedious. I would rather document patterns of individual sounds that I can reuse in different compositions. For instance I recently achieved an interesting metallic FM sound by patching the square wave OSC into the MS20 Filter's cutoff CV and the saw wave from the same OSC into the filter's input. That going through a VCA and a snappy envelope turned it into a nice clangy sound. So I would document this kind of thing because it's a strategy or method rather than trying to reproduce a complete performance. But everyone's different and noone's right
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