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Post by robertlanger on Oct 14, 2019 14:37:44 GMT
Hi guys,
As announced in the Blog the MASTER module will get some updates; one of it is adding MIDI Pitchbend which was not included up to now.
Now I want to hear from you, which range is most useful? One octave up/down, or 2 semitones, or a fifth... or...??
Would be great to hear your opinions! The implementation will be the average over all opinions ;-) - no, just kiddin'...!
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Post by NightMachines on Oct 14, 2019 14:47:50 GMT
+/- 48 semi tones! The default range for MPE controllers ;-)
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Post by pol on Oct 14, 2019 20:36:50 GMT
I like 1 Octave up/down when playing. :-)
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Post by NightMachines on Oct 14, 2019 21:05:56 GMT
I like 1 Octave up/down when playing. :-) Yes, I think +/- 1 octave might be a good range. One can always attenuate the CV to make it less than that, for example a fifth or two semitones. |
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Post by ben on Oct 15, 2019 11:06:35 GMT
Hi guys, As announced in the Blog the MASTER module will get some updates; one of it is adding MIDI Pitchbend which was not included up to now. Now I want to hear from you, which range is most useful? One octave up/down, or 2 semitones, or a fifth... or...?? Would be great to hear your opinions! The implementation will be the average over all opinions ;-) - no, just kiddin'...! One octave up/down |
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Post by rockysmalls on Oct 15, 2019 11:18:32 GMT
Hi guys, As announced in the Blog the MASTER module will get some updates; one of it is adding MIDI Pitchbend which was not included up to now. Now I want to hear from you, which range is most useful? One octave up/down, or 2 semitones, or a fifth... or...?? Would be great to hear your opinions! The implementation will be the average over all opinions ;-) - no, just kiddin'...! i quite like extremes ( that can be dialed down/ restricted somewhere else in the cv chain ) .. less creative restriction that way.. so I like Felix’s +/- 48 semi’s mpe suggestion .. +/- 24 would be aok too.. but i guess the normal max range is usually +/- 12 semitones .. I am also ok with that.. though i don’t know how easy it is to expand that with a module.. would the Divider work? ( downwards at least ) and inverted for upward range?? this and the midi stuff might be enough to push me to replace/upgrade my R2 master... though one always wonders what else Robert will put in if you wait long enough..? i’ll definitely be ‘avin the new 2Lfo though  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 13:59:59 GMT
Hi guys, As announced in the Blog the MASTER module will get some updates; one of it is adding MIDI Pitchbend which was not included up to now. Now I want to hear from you, which range is most useful? One octave up/down, or 2 semitones, or a fifth... or...?? Would be great to hear your opinions! The implementation will be the average over all opinions ;-) - no, just kiddin'...! Something I always thought would be very musically useful but never seen it - up and down independently selectable semitones. |
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Post by robertlanger on Oct 16, 2019 6:49:18 GMT
Hi guys, As announced in the Blog the MASTER module will get some updates; one of it is adding MIDI Pitchbend which was not included up to now. Now I want to hear from you, which range is most useful? One octave up/down, or 2 semitones, or a fifth... or...?? Would be great to hear your opinions! The implementation will be the average over all opinions ;-) - no, just kiddin'...! Something I always thought would be very musically useful but never seen it - up and down independently selectable semitones. Interesting idea; although not possible for this update because we have no interaction for this. But I'm almost sure in the future a more elaborated MIDI interface module with detailed configuration possibilities, polyphony etc. will come where this could be integrated easily - but pls don't ask for release dates now ;-) |
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Post by spacedog on Oct 16, 2019 9:02:43 GMT
Adding my view.
I play my synth leads like a guitarist (mainly because I am one), so I rarely need more than +/- 2 semitones, sometimes stretching up to 4, but I need to have eaten a hearty breakfast for that on the guitar.
In general, I've never found a musical use for more than +/-12 semitones on my synths.
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Post by thetechnobear on Oct 16, 2019 9:47:10 GMT
unfortunately, as NightMachines say +/- 48 is perfect for MPE controllers since they require to be to able to slide from an initial value to a new voltage... however, thats more than the voltage range of the AE  (*) however, it also has another interesting use-case ... this basically gives us micro pitch control over midi e.g. send note = 0, then pitchbend = your pitch. this means with an 'intelligent' midi source we easily can do microtonal scales (and non western scales) (you can do it with small pitchbend ranges, but easier with large ranges ) note : for this use-case and mpe we need full 14 bit support! however, for normal musical use from a keyboard, I'd say -/+ 2 is a reasonable default... (or even +/- 1 ?) perhaps we could have a switch to choose between +/-2 and +/-48. another option ... rather than use a physical switch, would be to accept a midi NRPN message which sets the pitchbend range (as is part of the MPE spec... I can give details if you wish to go this route, as makes sense to be 'compatible') --------- (*) an alternative which perhaps is a bit more 'logical' given AE voltage range and will still be 'ok' for MPE and still support the microtonal use case would be +/-24, in microtonal use-case we just send note=64 and offset using bipolar voltages |
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Post by rockysmalls on Oct 16, 2019 12:05:54 GMT
unfortunately, as NightMachines say +/- 48 is perfect for MPE controllers since they require to be to able to slide from an initial value to a new voltage... however, thats more than the voltage range of the AE (*) however, it also has another interesting use-case ... this basically gives us micro pitch control over midi e.g. send note = 0, then pitchbend = your pitch. this means with an 'intelligent' midi source we easily can do microtonal scales (and non western scales) (you can do it with small pitchbend ranges, but easier with large ranges ) note : for this use-case and mpe we need full 14 bit support! however, for normal musical use from a keyboard, I'd say -/+ 2 is a reasonable default... (or even +/- 1 ?) perhaps we could have a switch to choose between +/-2 and +/-48. another option ... rather than use a physical switch, would be to accept a midi NRPN message which sets the pitchbend range (as is part of the MPE spec... I can give details if you wish to go this route, as makes sense to be 'compatible') --------- (*) an alternative which perhaps is a bit more 'logical' given AE voltage range and will still be 'ok' for MPE and still support the microtonal use case would be +/-24, in microtonal use-case we just send note=64 and offset using bipolar voltages yes... a switch ( or some other method? ) to go from +/-2 to +/-24... could be a winner??! |
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Post by pol on Oct 16, 2019 15:57:15 GMT
I like 1 Octave up/down when playing. :-) Yes, I think +/- 1 octave might be a good range. One can always attenuate the CV to make it less than that, for example a fifth or two semitones. My thoughts exactly.... |
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Post by Lugia on Oct 17, 2019 3:36:47 GMT
My vote goes for +/- 1 octave. The MPE standard might be +/- 48 semitones wide, but I'm not sure that a range that wide is all that musically useful. An octave gives you a limited enough voltage span that you can make wheel changes relatively easily without resorting to attenuators. However, some of the talk on here about range switching is pretty compelling, especially the idea posed by Accidental Circuits about different spans for bend-up and bend-down...maybe as Robert notes, this is something for a later iteration, maybe a poly-interface.
The other thing that would be nice is the ability to blow in new tuning tables via SYSEX, preferably conforming to the Scala format...?
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Post by NightMachines on Oct 18, 2019 11:54:52 GMT
The MPE standard might be +/- 48 semitones wide, but I'm not sure that a range that wide is all that musically useful. It is actually incredibly musically useful, but indeed only when you have a special MPE controller. So if there was a switch in the new Master module it would be great to have such a wide range (or +/- 24 semitones) available as an option. If not, I’d also go with one octave. |
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Post by rodney on Nov 3, 2019 23:00:03 GMT
I think that microtuning will need a separate module with the bit depth needed for real precision (assuming the oscillators can get that precision). Yes, being able to read in Scala files to map out scales would be essential.
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Post by Jihel on Aug 25, 2020 15:26:19 GMT
For musical use, - 2 /+ 2 semitones is "standard".
It's interesting to jump to 5th and to 7th for some styles of music, but 12 semitones is the maximum.
Anyway, no rules for experimental music...
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