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Post by mastazi on May 29, 2019 7:20:53 GMT
The Moog Werkstatt-01 uses patchwire cables so I thought some people would be interested to see if it's compatible with AE Modular.
I had a look at the manual, this is the section that is relevant in terms of compatibility:
I'm not an expert so correct me if I'm wrong but I think this is the situation:
INPUTS:
* VCA IN when set to EG mode uses -/+ 2.5 v so it's not compatible * VCA IN when set to ON mode uses from 0 to 5 v so it's OK (but obviously you can't use the onboard EG)
* VCF IN cutoff uses -/+ 5v so it's not compatible * VCO LIN IN this is linear so it's not compatible
* VCO EXP IN uses 1V/Oct but it's -/+ 5 v so the "note pitch" would be correct but you have limited range
* LFO IN using values from 0 to 5 v you will have the same range as the on-board knob, if you want slower cycles then you have to use negative values (total range: -/+ 5 v), so I guess it's OK as long as you don't need those slower values.
OUTPUTS:
* KB CV OUT needs attenuation in order to do 1 v/oct
* TRIG OUT, GATE OUT, EG OUT and VCO OUT seem OK (they are all 0 to +5 v) * LFO OUT uses -/+ 2.5 v so it's not compatible * VCF OUT uses -/+ 2 v so it's not compatible
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Post by mastazi on Jul 2, 2019 2:57:26 GMT
I just realised that the VCO LIN IN could be used for linear FM rather than pitch control, this wouldn't be compatible with AE Modular either, because the signal would need to be attenuated since the VCO LIN IN expects a lower range voltage.
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Post by surferdargile on Apr 6, 2021 22:38:17 GMT
Hello I'm a future new user of AEm, and i've already have a Werkstatt (with cv expander, but i prefer patch it with jumper cables ) .. Would be glad to use it, even limited, with my AE system... What would be the common mistakes that could cause issue on both devices ? If the AE receive negative voltage or the werkstatt over voltage on , e.G the VCF ( -2 , +2V- will they break ?
With the use of attenuators and inverters to "maintain " the voltage between 0 and 5 V , would less risky to make them interact ? And therefore, what kind of AE modules would I need to control this ?
Thanks all
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Post by admin on Apr 7, 2021 0:06:11 GMT
Hello surferdargile, Welcome to the forum and the world of AE Modular! As you've stated above, some of the outputs of the Werkstatt are below 0V or above 5V and you would probably break your AE modular if you would patch those into any AE module directly via the small patch cables. The only safe and recommended way to interact with other systems that are not 0-5V is via the 3.5mm I/O jacks on the Master, Power and 4I/O modules. While you could take extra care to attenuate a signal on your Wekstatt before it goes into the AE ... I would warn against this approach as you could easily accidentally touch a knob and change the attenuator and *bang* there goes your AE. The same applies to the Korg Volca Modular, which also uses the same patch leads, but also sends voltages that are incompatible with AE out of the box (however an interface module is in development). |
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Post by surferdargile on Apr 11, 2021 19:55:24 GMT
hello and thanks a lot for welcoming me and for your advices... yes it looks dangerous to aptch any incompatible "module" of the werkstatt, but some looks like 
The interessant point of werkstatt is that it's Gate out socket also act as gate in !! So from the manual it would be compatible with entering or sending 5V gates with Ae modular... The LFO in and the Env Out are compatible 0-5V ... So maybe i could without risks (without patching ANY other Dupont cable :
- send a gate from the Aemodular to the werkstatt and get one more enveloppe CV from the Werkstatt to send to AE modules ? ....
- Send a CV to the LFO input of Werkstatt ( this LFO is great !) to control it's speed. Possibily send resulting LFO Cv to protected Input of MAster module in AEM
- And send Werkstatt audio out to AEM's protected In (with trs 1/8 jack)... So get there a (only manual tuning) moog VCO + VCF audio signal to interact with the AEM , and also secure the grounding ?
Of course you could do exactly the same, fully secured, by using the "CV expander" of Werkstatt and TRS cable.. But it would use the four I/O from AEM's master module
Is my reasonment totally absurd ? ( I've got to learn
Thanks and cheers !! hope to receive my first row soon...
Thanks a lot
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Post by interstar on Apr 15, 2024 18:17:04 GMT
Just found this thread after looking at a Werkstatt on EBay.
I already use my AE with a Volca Modular through the VMBridge. Would the protections that the VMBridge offers also cover the Werkstatt? Or is this yet another set of voltages that would require more protections?
I also have the 4I/O module. So far mainly using it to bring in audio signals for processin. But is it robust for bringing in CV from the Werkstatt? What about other Eurorack modules and compatible gear?
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Post by pol on Apr 15, 2024 20:05:28 GMT
Just found this thread after looking at a Werkstatt on EBay. I already use my AE with a Volca Modular through the VMBridge. Would the protections that the VMBridge offers also cover the Werkstatt? Or is this yet another set of voltages that would require more protections? I also have the 4I/O module. So far mainly using it to bring in audio signals for processin. But is it robust for bringing in CV from the Werkstatt? What about other Eurorack modules and compatible gear? Yes, the 4 I/O sockets will protect your AE, as will the 2 on the master module and power modules. In all cases switch the AE moduled to CV for best results. |
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Post by pol on Apr 15, 2024 20:08:34 GMT
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