thundersound
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Post by thundersound on May 20, 2019 18:35:25 GMT
I am really interested in some parts of the AE-MOdular sytem.
I already started to build an Eurorack sytem. But some things are really above my budget:
- A good sequencer(system)
- Good FX (Delay / granular stuff)
- A complete extra voice (VCO/VCF/VCA/Envelopes etc)
- filters (if you would like some more options)
So I really liked the Superbooth video's about tje AE-Modular system.
My next step in Eurorack would be a sequencer, and the next..next step would be FX.
I have 3 questions at this very moment.
The first question is about the B.Clock / B.Gate / B.Start / B.Stop connections on the module:
They are not named in the manual (if I am not mistaken).
Are those all outputs ? And what are their exact functions ?
Is B the second part ? (I mean steps 9 to 16)
The second question is about the connectivity if you want 2 or more sequencers alternating full length sequence :
first 16 steps from the first sequencer and then 16 steps from the second sequncer, and then the third or the first again.
Is this possible with only 2 (or 3) sequencers, or with 1 beat divider ?
The last question is about what I would need to connect 1 sequencer fully to an existing Eurorack system.
I came to the following parts :
1x Master,
1x Beat divider,
1x Sequencer
6x 4I/OS (4 for the 16 triggers, and 2 for aother I/O)
Is 1 master enough if I want to incorporate it in an Eurorack system with the some (16U-brackets) ?
I think this will be a lit expensive in rack-space, but I want to calculate for myself how much this all will cost in Money and rack space.
Or is there even a better way I am currently not aware about.
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bahm
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Post by bahm on May 20, 2019 18:58:34 GMT
Maybe this answers one of your questions:
If you put a midi cable into the master, the clock and start and stop come out on every module which has this outs. So you have this outs on every or most modules that are often used with the clock and only need short cables. Works also with cv clock ins on the master instead of midi. The B stands for Bus.
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Post by admin on May 20, 2019 18:59:08 GMT
I am really interested in some parts of the AE-MOdular sytem. I already started to build an Eurorack sytem. But some things are really above my budget: - A good sequencer(system) - Good FX (Delay / granular stuff) - A complete extra voice (VCO/VCF/VCA/Envelopes etc) - filters (if you would like some more options) So I really liked the Superbooth video's about tje AE-Modular system. My next step in Eurorack would be a sequencer, and the next..next step would be FX. I have 3 questions at this very moment. The first question is about the B.Clock / B.Gate / B.Start / B.Stop connections on the module: They are not named in the manual (if I am not mistaken). Are those all outputs ? And what are their exact functions ? Is B the second part ? (I mean steps 9 to 16) So the B.* connections are all outputs pertaining to MIDI. If you have a MIDI source connected to the Master module and the MIDI is sending a clock and gate then these outputs are available as CV. "B" in this case means "Bus" because the MIDI signals are passed throughout the whole system via the bus and power cable. The second question is about the connectivity if you want 2 or more sequencers alternating full length sequence : first 16 steps from the first sequencer and then 16 steps from the second sequncer, and then the third or the first again. Is this possible with only 2 (or 3) sequencers, or with 1 beat divider ? I don't think that you could easily patch the SEQ16 like that. You can create shorter sequences by patching either the B.reset or one of the 16 outputs into the reset. You can also trigger other things from any of the 16 steps, but you can't make it "stop" for 16 steps until a second or even third sequence is finishing. Also there are two sequencers in the AE system, the SEQ16 which is a one channel gate and CV sequencer for playing melodic lines, and the TRIQ164 which is a four channel trigger sequencer which would be used for more rhythmic events, eg. drums. The last question is about what I would need to connect 1 sequencer fully to an existing Eurorack system. I came to the following parts : 1x Master, 1x Beat divider, 1x Sequencer 6x 4I/OS (4 for the 16 triggers, and 2 for aother I/O) You would only need 1 output for CV and 1 output for gate from the SEQ16. So really the master module alone would be enough. You only need the beat divider module if you want to sync to a MIDI clock. Is 1 master enough if I want to incorporate it in an Eurorack system with the some (16U-brackets) ? I think this will be a lit expensive in rack-space, but I want to calculate for myself how much this all will cost in Money and rack space. Or is there even a better way I am currently not aware about. Eurorack space is really expensive, but AE space not so much. thetechnobear has written about his experience with AE in the Eurorack here: forum.aemodular.com/thread/287/eurorack-adapter-frameIf you would like to know more about how the SEQ16 and TRIQ164 work please watch my video tutorials on my website the5thvolt.com/category/tutorials/getting-started/ |
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thundersound
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Post by thundersound on May 20, 2019 19:18:52 GMT
Maybe this answers one of your questions: If you put a midi cable into the master, the clock and start and stop come out on every module which has this outs. So you have this outs on every or most modules that are often used with the clock and only need short cables. Works also with cv clock ins on the master instead of midi. The B stands for Bus.
Ha thanks, that is making sense, i get that part now.. |
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thundersound
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Post by thundersound on May 20, 2019 19:31:09 GMT
I am really interested in some parts of the AE-MOdular sytem. I already started to build an Eurorack sytem. But some things are really above my budget: - A good sequencer(system) - Good FX (Delay / granular stuff) - A complete extra voice (VCO/VCF/VCA/Envelopes etc) - filters (if you would like some more options) So I really liked the Superbooth video's about tje AE-Modular system. My next step in Eurorack would be a sequencer, and the next..next step would be FX. I have 3 questions at this very moment. The first question is about the B.Clock / B.Gate / B.Start / B.Stop connections on the module: They are not named in the manual (if I am not mistaken). Are those all outputs ? And what are their exact functions ? Is B the second part ? (I mean steps 9 to 16) So the B.* connections are all outputs pertaining to MIDI. If you have a MIDI source connected to the Master module and the MIDI is sending a clock and gate then these outputs are available as CV. "B" in this case means "Bus" because the MIDI signals are passed throughout the whole system via the bus and power cable. The second question is about the connectivity if you want 2 or more sequencers alternating full length sequence : first 16 steps from the first sequencer and then 16 steps from the second sequncer, and then the third or the first again. Is this possible with only 2 (or 3) sequencers, or with 1 beat divider ? I don't think that you could easily patch the SEQ16 like that. You can create shorter sequences by patching either the B.reset or one of the 16 outputs into the reset. You can also trigger other things from any of the 16 steps, but you can't make it "stop" for 16 steps until a second or even third sequence is finishing. Also there are two sequencers in the AE system, the SEQ16 which is a one channel gate and CV sequencer for playing melodic lines, and the TRIQ164 which is a four channel trigger sequencer which would be used for more rhythmic events, eg. drums. The last question is about what I would need to connect 1 sequencer fully to an existing Eurorack system. I came to the following parts : 1x Master, 1x Beat divider, 1x Sequencer 6x 4I/OS (4 for the 16 triggers, and 2 for aother I/O) You would only need 1 output for CV and 1 output for gate from the SEQ16. So really the master module alone would be enough. You only need the beat divider module if you want to sync to a MIDI clock. Is 1 master enough if I want to incorporate it in an Eurorack system with the some (16U-brackets) ? I think this will be a lit expensive in rack-space, but I want to calculate for myself how much this all will cost in Money and rack space. Or is there even a better way I am currently not aware about. Eurorack space is really expensive, but AE space not so much. thetechnobear has written about his experience with AE in the Eurorack here: forum.aemodular.com/thread/287/eurorack-adapter-frameIf you would like to know more about how the SEQ16 and TRIQ164 work please watch my video tutorials on my website the5thvolt.com/category/tutorials/getting-started/Also thanks for this information .. I will research all a bit more .. I tried to look at te video's but they did not work ,I will try another browser, maybe that works better.. |
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Post by Gaëtan on May 24, 2019 12:39:18 GMT
The second question is about the connectivity if you want 2 or more sequencers alternating full length sequence : first 16 steps from the first sequencer and then 16 steps from the second sequncer, and then the third or the first again. Is this possible with only 2 (or 3) sequencers, or with 1 beat divider ? I don't think that you could easily patch the SEQ16 like that. You can create shorter sequences by patching either the B.reset or one of the 16 outputs into the reset. You can also trigger other things from any of the 16 steps, but you can't make it "stop" for 16 steps until a second or even third sequence is finishing. Actually, wouldn't it be possible with a combination of VCSwitch and Divider ? Let's say you want to alternate 2 sequences of 16 steps each. You patch the 2 sequencers into the inputs of the Switch. You patch the output of the switch into your VCO. You patch the clock into the divider. You patch the /16 output of the divider into the switch CV. Now you should have one sequence running after the other (I mean, technically they run together, but the switch only lets one of them through).
(note : I haven't tried it myself).
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Post by spacedog on May 24, 2019 13:17:02 GMT
I don't think that you could easily patch the SEQ16 like that. You can create shorter sequences by patching either the B.reset or one of the 16 outputs into the reset. You can also trigger other things from any of the 16 steps, but you can't make it "stop" for 16 steps until a second or even third sequence is finishing. Actually, wouldn't it be possible with a combination of VCSwitch and Divider ? Let's say you want to alternate 2 sequences of 16 steps each. You patch the 2 sequencers into the inputs of the Switch. You patch the output of the switch into your VCO. You patch the clock into the divider. You patch the /16 output of the divider into the switch CV. Now you should have one sequence running after the other (I mean, technically they run together, but the switch only lets one of them through).
(note : I haven't tried it myself).
Or switch a clock signal, which would avoid the likely popping of an audio signal being switched hard. When I was playing a bit with the SEQ16, I used an LFO (as the clock) combined with the TRIQ164 via the LOGIC module to effectively control the CLK in of the SEQ16 as I didn't have the 3VCSWITCH at the time. My thinking here is that you could set up multiple SEQ16s each of which will only receive a signal at the CLK input when certain conditions apply, which could be live or programmed. Maybe a little thinking about sending a RESET as well. Rather like above, I haven't tried this exact application, but I'm extrapolating from what I have done (and it worked). It's an interesting thought about switching triggers or audio - intuitively (to me), switching audio is more likely to create a discontinuity in the sound. I suppose a clock could get a bit jumpy if switched asynchronously. The bottom line is that a lot of things are entirely possible, you just have to try them - remembering to obey the "no outputs to outputs" rule  |
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Post by Gaëtan on May 24, 2019 17:34:58 GMT
I didn't mean switching the audio, I meant switching the CV coming out of the sequencers |
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Post by spacedog on May 24, 2019 17:56:38 GMT
I didn't mean switching the audio, I meant switching the CV coming out of the sequencers Ahhhh, sorry, Gaëtan, I see what you meant now. I did get some interesting control doing what I said and I could effectively live switch a rate change in the Clock. |
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thundersound
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Post by thundersound on Jun 26, 2019 20:48:30 GMT
Actually, wouldn't it be possible with a combination of VCSwitch and Divider ? Let's say you want to alternate 2 sequences of 16 steps each. You patch the 2 sequencers into the inputs of the Switch. You patch the output of the switch into your VCO. You patch the clock into the divider. You patch the /16 output of the divider into the switch CV. Now you should have one sequence running after the other (I mean, technically they run together, but the switch only lets one of them through).
(note : I haven't tried it myself).
Or switch a clock signal, which would avoid the likely popping of an audio signal being switched hard. When I was playing a bit with the SEQ16, I used an LFO (as the clock) combined with the TRIQ164 via the LOGIC module to effectively control the CLK in of the SEQ16 as I didn't have the 3VCSWITCH at the time. My thinking here is that you could set up multiple SEQ16s each of which will only receive a signal at the CLK input when certain conditions apply, which could be live or programmed. Maybe a little thinking about sending a RESET as well. Rather like above, I haven't tried this exact application, but I'm extrapolating from what I have done (and it worked). It's an interesting thought about switching triggers or audio - intuitively (to me), switching audio is more likely to create a discontinuity in the sound. I suppose a clock could get a bit jumpy if switched asynchronously. The bottom line is that a lot of things are entirely possible, you just have to try them - remembering to obey the "no outputs to outputs" rule Ha- thanks, that sounds hopefull, first waiting for my case with the first modules. |
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