So our beloved Benn Jordan posts this video on the current state of physical modelling an how powerful it has become
Sure it is an informative video as always and all is smooth sailing up to the point where he plays the saxophone on is keyboard and my old sax player ears go 'no way that is a saxophone it sounds like a plastic toy invented by chatgpt!' (sorry robot overlords no disrespect intended), and the whole physical modelling idea crumbles in my mind. So it is pretty obvious that some instruments are more easily modelled than others (kickdrum vs. snare) but in some cases it still sounds like utter garbage for example that 'sax' sound. So fellow instrumentalists do you think your instrument is reproduced properly in physical modelling? Sure it is easier to only have to learn one physical interface, for example the keyboard but not every intricacy of a specific instrument can be translated to the keyboard.
ok I can't leave that one hanging for too long I was only joking . I think that modelling of some instruments can be disguised better in the mix if you add a lot of filters/effects etc to give you that feeling of oh that must be a sax kind of sound but not reproduced properly no. sounds way better to use actual samples.
Guitar is another example, we can come close and way fun trying but still lacks.
I think it all as to do with this suspension of disbelief thing. Depending on the situation we are more willing to accept what our senses notice as being the real thing instead of some clever modelling. I have less problems to accept a flute, guitar like sound made on an AE modular or a string ensemble on a solina than the sax sound on some high end physical modeller. I know it's 'only' the AE making those sounds but I will accept it for the sake of the patch.
I agree, my jazz listening ears could easily spot that wasn't a real sax player. I do admit that it was definitely superior to sample based sax (I cringe everyone I hear certain 90s house music using synth sax...).
I'm an uncanny valley fanatic. So i love those physical modelling sounds that make me go: 'is this guitar? No Cant be... But what IS it?!'
Of course if it doesn't sound good.... Then it just doesn't haha!
That, to me, is the key; it doesn't matter how the sound is made, it's whether it sounds good (and fits in with other noises if part of something). I've never bought into trying to duplicate real world instruments, a synth/ sampler can do so much more! As a non-player myself, I suspect it's people wanting the sound without putting the work in to learn the instrument.... Your post hints at the other aspect; it sounds good anyway, but a flute doesn't go that low, that's a cool but weird sounding string section etc!