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Post by admin on Jul 21, 2023 10:47:59 GMT
This was posted on Discord today, but I think it's worthwhile to be discussed here on the forum as well:
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Post by MikMo on Jul 21, 2023 11:19:22 GMT
This is super interesting. Highly recommended.
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Post by funbun on Jul 21, 2023 12:43:10 GMT
Ahh, minimalism! You know I love minimalism!
If you want a very in-depth, academic look at the four composers, check out "Four Musical Minimalists: La Monte Young, Terry Riley, Steve Reich, Philip Glass," by Keith Potter. The book covers both music history and music theory of the time period.
In music school I loved Phillip Glass' work because he use acoustic instruments for everything. Now that I'm composing electronic music, the work of Le Monte Young and Terry Riley have become center stage for me because because they pioneered so much in terms of electronics. Also both Young and Riley were heavily influenced by jazz, particularly Coltrane and modal jazz.
When listening to minimalism, I almost always default to Steve Reich as it comes the closest to the kinds of music I most often performed in music school.
I figured modular synths were the perfect machines to perform this kind of music. Here's my favorite Steve Reich piece:
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Post by pol on Aug 6, 2023 9:58:07 GMT
Thanks for this, hadn't noticed these when they came out, (I don't watch much broadcast TV). The clapping in program one reminded me of one of my visits to Glastonbury Festival (before the corporate takeover); there was a drum workshop and about 30 people were just banging away, you could just pick up a drum and join in, stop when you wanted. I just listened as the polyrhythms were just incredible, I keep think about how to do that in my music but I feel that it really needs an ensemble, not me and my MPC  . |
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Post by keurslagerkurt on Aug 7, 2023 12:46:39 GMT
Thanks for this, hadn't noticed these when they came out, (I don't watch much broadcast TV). The clapping in program one reminded me of one of my visits to Glastonbury Festival (before the corporate takeover); there was a drum workshop and about 30 people were just banging away, you could just pick up a drum and join in, stop when you wanted. I just listened as the polyrhythms were just incredible, I keep think about how to do that in my music but I feel that it really needs an ensemble, not me and my MPC . I've had fun like this with Digitakt, where you can let each of the 8 tracks have a different length. Just putting in super simple sequences of different lengths (8 steps, 3 steps, 15 steps, 7 steps,....) and hearing them phase in and out of rhythm. I bet its also possible to do this with the MPC! Ever since my music teacher showed me 'Music for pieces of wood' by Steve Reich when I was 12y, I've been drawn to these kinds of polymetric tricks evolving a piece/song and playing with our human sense of 'beat'. Although I mainly listen to mainstream and not classical music, there are quite some bands/acts/musicians out there integrating it in their music. (I've been listening a ton to King Gizzard's latest 'PetroDragonic Apocalyps', which uses tons and tons of polymeters) |
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Post by admin on Aug 7, 2023 12:51:22 GMT
And then there's this guy who modeled the moving of the planets on the Deluge:
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Post by pol on Aug 7, 2023 16:38:56 GMT
Thanks for this, hadn't noticed these when they came out, (I don't watch much broadcast TV). The clapping in program one reminded me of one of my visits to Glastonbury Festival (before the corporate takeover); there was a drum workshop and about 30 people were just banging away, you could just pick up a drum and join in, stop when you wanted. I just listened as the polyrhythms were just incredible, I keep think about how to do that in my music but I feel that it really needs an ensemble, not me and my MPC . I've had fun like this with Digitakt, where you can let each of the 8 tracks have a different length. Just putting in super simple sequences of different lengths (8 steps, 3 steps, 15 steps, 7 steps,....) and hearing them phase in and out of rhythm. I bet its also possible to do this with the MPC! It is, I have tried but not quite the same thing  Ever since my music teacher showed me 'Music for pieces of wood' by Steve Reich when I was 12y, I've been drawn to these kinds of polymetric tricks evolving a piece/song and playing with our human sense of 'beat'. Although I mainly listen to mainstream and not classical music, there are quite some bands/acts/musicians out there integrating it in their music. (I've been listening a ton to King Gizzard's latest 'PetroDragonic Apocalyps', which uses tons and tons of polymeters) Thanks for sharing the video, once it got going I quite liked it. Did feel they ought to have been in Caveman outfits sitting around a fire somewhere, but this is "classical music" so po-faced and pompous as usual! Also thought the guy who started first should be paid more as only one who played all the way through!
Not quite the same thing, but the repetition is a big part of this great song, the 15 minute version even more so...
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Post by keurslagerkurt on Aug 7, 2023 20:11:56 GMT
And then there's this guy who modeled the moving of the planets on the Deluge: This is so hypnotizing in all the right, minimalist ways. Good choice of notes as well imo. When that neptune hits..  |
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Post by keurslagerkurt on Aug 7, 2023 20:57:43 GMT
Not quite the same thing, but the repetition is a big part of this great song, the 15 minute version even more so...
Ah love some Donna Summer, and of course I Feel Love, so so so good.. Every house/techno song is at least partially influenced by that cut. Just finished the second part of the documentary, very very interesting. I didn't realise they actually went from electronic/tape music back to 'classical', it all makes so much more sense now. I mean, music for 18 musicians almost sounds like it should be played by a computer, how the saxophones almost fake a tight 'delay' and such. Had to think about this piece a lot as well, polymetric acid! Aphex in his highest form imho, with the acid lines that flip between 7/8, 6/8, 4/4,.. while the drums are so groovy but also get polymetric when you pay attention in the second half. And then you get these gorgeous washed out Aphex chords on top of all of it of course. This has been a top 5 cut of his for some years now for me (and he played it live few months ago when i saw him!!!), and i only now realised that its HEAVILY influenced, quite on the nose even, by minimalism. |
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Post by pol on Aug 8, 2023 15:51:31 GMT
Thank you keurslagerkurt First Aphex Twin song I've really liked; I stopped trying the latest "darling" of the music press years, (and years), ago as so much music behind the hype/talk was shite..... or at least I didn't like it, and judging on how few artists became big, most other people thought so as well..... Often me disliking a band guarantees them fame and fortune however! |
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Post by keurslagerkurt on Aug 9, 2023 12:15:15 GMT
Thank you keurslagerkurt First Aphex Twin song I've really liked; I stopped trying the latest "darling" of the music press years, (and years), ago as so much music behind the hype/talk was shite..... or at least I didn't like it, and judging on how few artists became big, most other people thought so as well..... Often me disliking a band guarantees them fame and fortune however! Glad you liked it! I also have some tendencies to avoid 'too popular' or 'too well received' stuff, although i've gotten better at it last years, also realising that most (def not ALL!) music press "darlings" got in that position for a very good reason.. Aphex is a fun and exceptional one though, seems like he has done ANYTHING to get rid of that 'industry' label, lots of bonkers interviews, stories, anecdotes. Very interesting artist. He's made so many tracks that there is of course a large number of tracks that don't do it for me, but also a large part that really hit that sweet spot. I'm almost exclusively an album listener, but for Aphex Twin I really only listen to playlists and loose tracks, imho he has not made a perfect album (some very good ones, but often either too long for me or with a few unlistenable tracks, all just my opinion, i know ppl disagree). He just released a new EP a good week ago, which is pretty great imo. |
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