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Post by sharps on Sept 28, 2022 12:46:07 GMT
I haven't posted them anywhere, but I often record my patches before I pull them apart and make new ones.
That means taking the AE over to my desk and plugging it into one channel on my audio interface (Behringer UMC404HD), then opening Reaper. Actually I think last time I didn't bother unplugging the digitone from the interface and just ran the AE through the digitone inputs. Probably not good for my signal chain but eh. Just as a thought, could you just buy a long cable to save moving the AE? - I started doing that for some of my recordings as it's just easier!
I don't have the I/O, voices, or (internal) mixer in my extremely small modular system to produce stereo, or to multitrack record what the modular is doing, even though there's four ins on my interface. I normally record my AE as mono, and just convert it to stereo in my PC via an audio editing program, my Aetherwaves contributions have all been done like this. Can you multitrack in Reaper? (i.e. play the AE along to something you've already recorded?) justa thought.
I dunno. Sharing my music is hard. It's both easier and harder when it's modular jamming, on a limited system, and not actually good as music. I use the modular more for music-meditation and exploration than songwriting -- I'd need better sequencers for that and I haven't built them yet. But that means there's more noise than song in my recordings, and while I like the noises, it's hard to expect that other people would too when they weren't really made to be good noises at all. So it's difficult because the sounds are bad and I'm not confident, but it's easier because I'm less personally invested in what I've created. You might have noticed people here like drones etc so your music-meditations (like that phrase,  ) would probably go down well. Totally get doing stuff not necessarily for the end result but the process/feeling etc. and well done you for recognising that. I would actually be interested to see what can be done with a "limited" system. the only other thing I would say, (to encourage to post some of your music), is that some very big artists hate the fan favourite songs, so just because you don't think they are very good.....
Maybe when there's a few more tracks I'll select my favorites, edit them down, upload them to soundcloud or something, and post a short modular noise EP. Please do, we're nosey about what other people do!
I have a 1x16 system and a battery for it, moving it is pretty easy. I patch curled up on the floor with a battery-powered amp, so a long cable wouldn't cut it.
I could layer in Reaper, yeah. Tbh though, that'd mean patching to accompany recordings, and that sounds tedious. I like it all self-contained and the recording as a process at the end. When I say multitrack, I mean recording multiple voices/sub-mixes from the same modular at the same time. Even if I could do this, I make my patches listening on a stereo amp so more than 2 sub-mixes would be hard to get going.
Actually, it's not just that I'm jamming on modular, but also the specific system I've chosen to build. My voices are generally solina, 2OSC/d thru a kuzmin, and 2x kæstle. The kuzmin is great but distorted and raw. The kæstle is usually right on the border of what counts as music. The solina dosen't make it into most patches. And I'm sequencing with the rbss, kæstle, and modulators. This tends to raw noisy drones, glitches, and weird looping melodies without much rhythm, sometimes with string-machine pads or stabs. There are other tricks, like the rbss as a 'wavetable-like' oscillator, and using clock divisions to mix things up, but that's generally it. So to me it 'sounds modular' -- few mono/para voices, noise, etc. I really, really need to work on DIYing those sequencer ideas I have floating around my head.
Haha well anyway, I'm sleep deprived, willing to make bad decisions, and you guys have convinced me. I've made a new soundcloud with a new artist name and uploaded some things. Will post over in the performances forum shortly. Nothing I have so far is worthy of Ætherwaves but maybe I'll work on something for it.
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Post by pt3r on Sept 28, 2022 12:52:01 GMT
Music is a broad concept; sound (dis)organized, with intent, in time counts as music in my book.  |
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Post by sharps on Sept 28, 2022 13:04:05 GMT
p3tr, pol, admin, I want you guys to know that this is your fault. This is all because of you. Well, and because I actually had a patch, some previously recorded tracks, and a bad day which ended in me being sleep-deprived and looking for creative expression and community on the internet. But I'm not taking credit for it! I was avoiding this for months >_>
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Post by maydonpoliris on Sept 28, 2022 13:04:46 GMT
awesome sharps great to hear!! |
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Post by sharps on Sept 28, 2022 13:06:53 GMT
awesome sharps great to hear!! I'm sure as news it is, but I'm more worried about the content of the tracks. Anyway. I'm going to bed and will examine the response to them in the morning. Apologies for derailing the thread slightly but I did start out very on-topic. I suppose the psychology of recording is relevant too.... |
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Post by maydonpoliris on Sept 28, 2022 13:09:03 GMT
awesome sharps great to hear!! I'm sure as news it is, but I'm more worried about the content of the tracks. Anyway. I'm going to bed and will examine the response to them in the morning. Apologies for derailing the thread slightly but I did start out very on-topic. I suppose the psychology of recording is relevant too.... we are all about to listen and enjoy. This is what the thread was about so all good. |
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Post by pt3r on Sept 28, 2022 18:45:22 GMT
If you want a first little recording assignment why not contribute to the forum's own exquisite corpse:
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Post by solipsistnation on Sept 29, 2022 21:59:31 GMT
Name it in German, then translate it to English, then to German, then back to English!
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Post by duddex on Oct 1, 2022 19:19:51 GMT
I've been thinking a lot about why I don't record music. I've found that recording music is not possible for me spontaneous, because I always have to connect my AEModular system to my computer first. Of course using a computer and a DAW has many advantages. But the disadvantage for me is, that recording music is not possible as easy as only making music without recording. So I think I should get a zoom recorder.
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Post by pt3r on Oct 1, 2022 21:04:54 GMT
I can vow for the ZOOM recorders they come in different price ranges with more or less bells and whistles but all seem to provide recordings of good quality.
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Post by maydonpoliris on Oct 1, 2022 21:21:13 GMT
same and worth the pennies, having a recording source next to your setup is key for Ae as you can just press record when in the zone.
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Post by DeepSEA on Oct 3, 2022 15:57:35 GMT
I've been thinking a lot about why I don't record music. I've found that recording music is not possible for me spontaneous, because I always have to connect my AEModular system to my computer first. Of course using a computer and a DAW has many advantages. But the disadvantage for me is, that recording music is not possible as easy as only making music without recording. So I think I should get a zoom recorder. I just use a Tascam DR-05X recorder connected to the tape out of my small Mackie mixer, which my AE Modular and other items are connected to. I feel that gives me the most freedom and flexibility,and most of all it allows me to perform and record my music real time, since my main goal is to perform in front of an audience. If I need to bring it into a DAW, I just take the wav file from the recorder and do whatever with it! |
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Post by MikMo on Oct 18, 2022 21:02:08 GMT
So i finally did it.
First real AE recording
First youtube video
First patch challenge:
Not a track or song, just my answer to the challenge #1
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Post by pol on Oct 20, 2022 19:24:46 GMT
So i finally did it. First real AE recording First youtube video First patch challenge: Not a track or song, just my answer to the challenge #1 Well done, may it be the start of a long and fruitful journey. Like the DIY rack (holder) too - may pinch that idea as I'm currently using an old bookcase and it takes up too much room.... |
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Post by leethargo on Jun 21, 2024 9:44:00 GMT
Out of curiosity, do any of you actually record on your phone, presumably using the 3.5mm jack meant for headphones?
My understanding is that these TRRS supply two channels for stereo out (headphones) and a single channel for mono in (microphone). So in principle, we could feed a mono signal from AEM to the phone on the mic channel, while still listening to the recording on (stereo) headphones.
I could not get this to work so far, mostly because my phone only recognizes a headset (with mic) if there is indeed a TRRS cable, and not just a mono or stereo cable.
I tried to work around this by plugging in a cheap USB interface meant to be used with headsets (creative soundblaster), but nothing is recorded, presumably because the mono signal from AEM ends up being on the wrong channel.
So, to do this right, I'd need to get a splitter cable to connect both a mono in for recording and stereo out for listening?
Is it even possible to record stereo on Android phones through the 3.5mm jack?
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Post by admin on Jun 21, 2024 10:43:59 GMT
You can not record stereo via the TRRRS 3.5mm jack on any mobile phone. Only mono is possible and you need a TRRRS cable, not a TRRS.
To record proper sound you need to go through a USB audio interface and connect it via USB to your phone. I've made a video about this a looong time ago:
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Post by leethargo on Jun 21, 2024 11:06:18 GMT
Thanks, I remember watching this, but don't have an appropriate audio interface. Might be better to invest in a ZOOM-ish thing instead, and remove the phone from the process, then.
I think TRRS already feature the mic channel, as opposed to TRS that just have Left-Right-Ground channels.
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Post by saltatempo on Jun 22, 2024 4:18:50 GMT
Hi, I found that a mono jack cable from MASTER to red line IN of Zoom H1N not completely put inside permits to hear in stereo the same signal (with headphones on green Line out) and also to record It without loss of volume or quality. Here It is a photo  |
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Post by leethargo on Jun 22, 2024 8:19:52 GMT
I had some spare parts from a broken headset, so I tried soldering a mono jack socket to a TRRS, connecting ground to ground and the mono signal to mic.
This allowed me to record in my phone. But it was quite tricky to find a good level, so I went out through the HPAMP instead of MASTER I/O, turning the knob almost fully CCW.
After some experiments, my DIY socket became loose and I gave up :-)
Recording stereo would be nice, anyways, so I'll try to find some used mobile recorder.
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Post by pt3r on Jun 22, 2024 8:40:39 GMT
Before I got my Mixer module I woud use the Multi FX module at the end of my patch and patch its stereo outputs in the 4 I/O module and patch thus into the stereo line input of my ZOOM H6.
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Post by keurslagerkurt on Jun 22, 2024 11:42:02 GMT
I had some spare parts from a broken headset, so I tried soldering a mono jack socket to a TRRS, connecting ground to ground and the mono signal to mic. This allowed me to record in my phone. But it was quite tricky to find a good level, so I went out through the HPAMP instead of MASTER I/O, turning the knob almost fully CCW. After some experiments, my DIY socket became lose and I gave up :-) Recording stereo would be nice, anyways, so I'll try to find some used mobile recorder. Nice! I had some experiments like this with a 'hacked' trrs cable from a cheap microphone meant to use with a phone. It worked but was very finicky, and levels were hard to control as well indeed, i suspect because usually the microphone signal gets amped up a lot by the phone. saltatempo : this trick works because the mono Jack actually can touch both stereo inputs of the recorder when put 'half' in like this. You can solder your own mono to stereo cable or buy one as well, these will do this same trick (=sending the same mono output to both L+R channel) but without the finicky cable 'in between' stuff |
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Post by pol on Jun 23, 2024 8:39:52 GMT
I had some spare parts from a broken headset, so I tried soldering a mono jack socket to a TRRS, connecting ground to ground and the mono signal to mic. This allowed me to record in my phone. But it was quite tricky to find a good level, so I went out through the HPAMP instead of MASTER I/O, turning the knob almost fully CCW. After some experiments, my DIY socket became lose and I gave up :-) Recording stereo would be nice, anyways, so I'll try to find some used mobile recorder. Nice! I had some experiments like this with a 'hacked' trrs cable from a cheap microphone meant to use with a phone. It worked but was very finicky, and levels were hard to control as well indeed, i suspect because usually the microphone signal gets amped up a lot by the phone. saltatempo : this trick works because the mono Jack actually can touch both stereo inputs of the recorder when put 'half' in like this. You can solder your own mono to stereo cable or buy one as well, these will do this same trick (=sending the same mono output to both L+R channel) but without the finicky cable 'in between' stuff If I'm just recording the AE in Mono without an external mixer, I do the mono-stereo cable thing to my Zoom recorder. |
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) would probably go down well. Totally get doing stuff not necessarily for the end result but the process/feeling etc. and well done you for recognising that. I would actually be interested to see what can be done with a "limited" system. the only other thing I would say, (to encourage to post some of your music), is that some very big artists hate the fan favourite songs, so just because you don't think they are very good.....
