bezko
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Post by bezko on Apr 20, 2022 14:54:23 GMT
Hi, anyone care to share the schematics for the Noise module? www.tangiblewaves.com/store/p7/NOISE.htmlMy googling shows that it's quite tricky to do that with a 5V power source: https://www.reddit.com/r/synthdiy/comments/6pxy9f/simple_5v_noise_generator/ I'd like to knwo how this was achieved. Thank you.
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Post by robertlanger on Apr 21, 2022 7:42:33 GMT
The usual, analog way to create white noise for synths is via a transistor operated "the wrong way" / reverse biased with the collector left open; but: This requires a voltage of usually 12 volts; the 5V of AE is not sufficient for this technique. Therefore, the AE NOISE module uses a tiny microcontroller (Attiny13) that creates a random pulse sequence at rather high frequency, which results in an almost white noise after a little bit of filtering. Basically the same as electricdruid does with it's noise generator chip.
This is the hint in the reddit post (btw covering the topic quite well): "Hrnek_Bezucha BEITRAGSERSTELLER*IN vor 5 Jahren Pseudo random noise with shift registers? That's it! LFSR pseudo-random generator is the next thing I'm doing. And it'll all go nicely with the rest of the CMOS circuit. Thank you! You just opened so many possibilities.."
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namke
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Post by namke on Apr 21, 2022 11:53:46 GMT
The LFSR noise generation 'trick' is also used in things like the Boss DR-110, using an 18-stage shift register and an XOR gate. Quite good results!
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Post by zaphodbetamax on Nov 29, 2022 20:38:21 GMT
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frndo
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Post by frndo on Nov 30, 2022 16:51:28 GMT
Here is a simple LFSR register noise generator I designed to 5V. You don't have to even use 71 bits, you can use 39 bits for example...more than enough. View AttachmentI use this table to find what works with the cd4517 cd4094 combo datacipy.cz/lfsr_table.pdfHi! thanks for sharing. Isn't there an easier way to get noise using fewer chips? I was experimenting with 4006 (very unstable, almost fried) and 4049... without good results. I was especially interested in the type of crackle noise (geiger counter type like the AE Noise module).
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Post by zaphodbetamax on Nov 30, 2022 21:05:22 GMT
LFSR have a minimum part count and unless you have the rare CD4006 it is tough for low part counts. There are non-LFSR noise makers I have made, but the noise is very random and sometimes picks up 60 cycles. I do have one of those 1980s 21bit? 8 pin noise makers I parted from a Siel DK-80. Now there is low parts count. I will scare up the circuit later. But this chip is basically unobtanium. (after all , who uses a Siel) Electric Druid can sell you something much better! electricdruid.net/product-category/lfos-noise/
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Post by zaphodbetamax on Dec 9, 2022 19:04:41 GMT
Try this circuit. Analogue. check. 5V. check. breadboarded and tested. May not be white noise though. The regulator is a TL431. The noise is more brown, but has no problem with 0-5Vpp and triggers an ASR / S&H no problems. The cap out of the Tl431 will really set the "tone" of the noise. Scope it yourself! Hi, anyone care to share the schematics for the Noise module? www.tangiblewaves.com/store/p7/NOISE.htmlMy googling shows that it's quite tricky to do that with a 5V power source: https://www.reddit.com/r/synthdiy/comments/6pxy9f/simple_5v_noise_generator/ I'd like to knwo how this was achieved. Thank you.
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Post by zaphodbetamax on Dec 11, 2022 19:54:18 GMT
On the lower breadboard (shown later in the video) is a digital noise generator and finally I hope I have a VCA that works with 5Vpp noise. (pwm modulated and then fed into two 2n7000s as low pass gates). To add saturation I use the input stage of the Monotribe with its muted VCO mod with the filter wide open and the peak at zero. Later I add in the Volca Modular which has its frequency main, secondary frequency, and fold controlled with an analogue voltage shifter (top breadboard shown later). I also add the Volca Drum into the mix. Recorded to a H1 recorder in mono off a Mackie1202VLZ4 and then ported to the Panasonic FZ1000 camera. New circuit for VCA designed.
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