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Apr 14, 2022 10:52:27 GMT
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Post by tIB on Apr 14, 2022 10:52:27 GMT
So the TBD's are what id hoped, albeit in a how much can you do with two pots and modulation slots. My plan is to max the favourite slots with sound sources, one doing complex oscilator type stuff, the other either doing variations on that theme or just plain weird stuff - I'll see how far I get with the weirder side.
It's all about control though - one thing that could open it further is the ability to set thresholds/ranges for the control, like the Nord modular morph pots did. Would be nice to control multiple functions (which you can do) from one pot turn at different ranges and inversions (which you can't).
I'm enjoying pootling round trying to set up variations on sound sources and working out what compliments one another from a single pot point of view... It's a shake one of the CV inputs generally has to be for pitch control (if using as a vco), though it's nice to combine that with other modulations.
The beauty is though that I now have a module that can be massive variations on ten different sound sources, which for someone who has already established their end game in terms of system size, will add a huge range of tones.
Bravo to whoever designed it and had the idea to port it over... and if you ever feel like adding four more pots that would be great too!
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Post by maydonpoliris on Apr 14, 2022 21:16:05 GMT
Was just thinking about asking the question to people who own the TBD, how they are enjoying/using it as haven't seen much out there. Can't recall hearing any music from it as yet.
Its on my wish list though the menu diving/set up that is needed is in my head too.
I do like how on the grains and core that you can easily download firmware and off you go.
With the TBD there is a bit more exploration involved which is cool as long as its not a draining hurdle. Have seen the instructional vid of course and doesn't look draining just exploratory.
From a user perspective you mention enjoying pootling around (with some minor addition thoughts) which is a positive for me.
What I like about it is what you say of massive variations on sound sources and tones from the one module.
cheers
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Apr 15, 2022 7:40:22 GMT
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Post by tIB on Apr 15, 2022 7:40:22 GMT
I suspect these will replace my grains and possibly my core, since I can build ten things and then switch between them on the module - the editor for me will be something to use periodically, and quite possibly never again, once I've dialled in ten things I'm happy with as starting points. I'm no coder, so it presents a better option for me to get things how I want them.
The editor experience is fine once set up - sone of the patches are so expansive that there's stupid amount of control. In my case I imagine that a lot of that I may not use, though I'll dig deeper on the second module setup - priority for number one is building oscillator starting points.
Best thing I can say about it so far is that I was worried two might be overkill for my system, though after ten minutes of play I was glad that I took the punt on the second... I do like the digital direction that AE has gone in of late - my system, which started out as a 'mini doepfer'- has morphed into a digital sound generation monster with analogue filtering, which I am rather pleased about - It's a different approach to my other systems. O_c next and then see where the land lies in terms of 'finalizing' the config!
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Post by maydonpoliris on Apr 17, 2022 21:58:25 GMT
It is pretty cool that you can build up your desired sounds then switch between them.
Glad the editor experience was fine and that it may possibly be a once set up thing rather before every recording, once you've found your ideals of course.
Replacing the grains and core is huge especially since they've sounded like they play a big part in your tracks.
Once I got my hands on the Wavetables I quickly got over the all analogue wants. I think having both analogue and digital adds so much especially with digital capabilities these days.
Also have O_c in mind though its sounding like a bit of a chore to calibrate and set up. watching that closely.
I'm no coder myself so probably a good fit with me too. Its what I am liking about Pure Data, its like a fun puzzle rather than an essay.
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Post by pt3r on Apr 19, 2022 7:07:10 GMT
Puredata can indeed be like a fun little puzzle but it can also turn into a nasty digital spaghetti once you try to develop stuff like preset handling or advanced logical algorithms like markov chains or euclidian sequences.
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Post by maydonpoliris on Apr 19, 2022 10:57:59 GMT
Puredata can indeed be like a fun little puzzle but it can also turn into a nasty digital spaghetti once you try to develop stuff like preset handling or advanced logical algorithms like markov chains or euclidian sequences. Yeah I can imagine it would get very complicated. Luckily my learning is slow so it'll be a while before being tangled in that spaghetti. |
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Apr 19, 2022 11:12:57 GMT
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Post by tIB on Apr 19, 2022 11:12:57 GMT
In an ideal world I'd probably keep the core, though it will depend on how far into fm territory I can get with the tbd - it's a shootout between the core and fmosc at this point, though that may change. The Euclid and topograph together are overkill really for a 3x16 setup, but I find them both useful so...
Digital/analogue wise I've plenty of analogue elsewhere so happy to keep this setup as a mostly digital hybrid - digital front with analogue and digital processing is the dream. I just have to make sure I leave enough utility bits in there to make it all interesting.
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Post by maydonpoliris on Apr 19, 2022 11:50:04 GMT
and condense those utilities where/when possible too I guess.
Some hard choices you've got, If I had to.........mine would be the core as I find it more glitchy.
between the Topo and Euclid......... If MMdiv/Trip/Slew were already part of it I'd go with Euclid. but if not mmmmm on the fence
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Apr 19, 2022 15:34:26 GMT
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Post by tIB on Apr 19, 2022 15:34:26 GMT
Yeah, I like the core, though while I don't always love (or even use that often) the fmosc, it would be my only 'proper' osc in the system which is sometimes good for immediacy.
Euclid beats the topo hands down, though I do enjoy the topograph - it's more a case of whether I can accommodate both once I've got the O_c in, and then decided whether to get a second with the alternate firmware on. It's silly really as I'm not as drawn to rhythmic stuff these days, but if one goes it will certainly be the topograph.
As ever, best way is to plan the system, play it and then decide... Incidentally, I'm not a subscriber to the idea that a system can never be finished, though it certainly helps when things are no longer in production/being revised.
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Apr 19, 2022 17:36:10 GMT
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Post by tIB on Apr 19, 2022 17:36:10 GMT
Hmm, brick wall hit - my presets have been replaced by 'void', all work lost and my enthusiasm for this module all but gone.
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Post by maydonpoliris on Apr 19, 2022 20:41:49 GMT
just read your TBD Troubleshooting post. Frustrated and disappointed for you.
not good at all to go through that work, be excited where things are headed and then lose it.
Hope a quantifiable reason can be found
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Apr 19, 2022 21:53:34 GMT
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Post by tIB on Apr 19, 2022 21:53:34 GMT
I'm just hoping it's teething troubles as opposed to something that keeps cropping up... happy to consider the lost stuff part of a learning process if so.
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Sept 16, 2023 10:49:11 GMT
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Post by tIB on Sept 16, 2023 10:49:11 GMT
18 months on and I'm back at the same point - see the other thread. This module does not save and recall presets reliably - it's buggy as.
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Post by Dalarne on Sept 24, 2023 10:01:52 GMT
I have the same issue with the TBD. Saving changes to favourites does not work for me either. I have not yet used the Android app, only on my Apple laptop.
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Sept 24, 2023 10:37:57 GMT
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Post by tIB on Sept 24, 2023 10:37:57 GMT
I have the same issue with the TBD. Saving changes to favourites does not work for me either. I have not yet used the Android app, only on my Apple laptop. Yeah, had a bit of back and forth with Robert over it and believe it's now seen as a bug software side - there's a TBD troubleshooting thread here somewhere where I've logged testing/breaking it. Think it's being looked into so it's a case of wait and see if there's a new firmware and meanwhile export/import presets when it loses settings. |
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Post by Dalarne on Sept 30, 2023 19:54:13 GMT
I will try out the android app to see if that works better for me, as it seemed to work better for you also.
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