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Post by funbun on Feb 2, 2022 13:55:10 GMT
I was going to order two, but just wasn't in the budget this month. I settled on one and selected to install both firmware versions on the order page. Maybe get the TBD next month. o_C + TBD would be a awesome combination.
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Post by dizzeesatchel on Feb 2, 2022 14:41:03 GMT
I'm dangerously close to ordering one too...in a way the wait times (even though they're shorter now) don't help, because it somehow feels less like 'real spending' to buy something which won't arrive for weeks or even a month or two. GAS be damned! So the real question is...did you order normal panel or black?  |
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Post by funbun on Feb 2, 2022 15:28:06 GMT
Blacked out! I plan to eventually get all black panels. For me o_C has been a module I've been waiting just about since I start modular synths. I want to quantize to all these different scales and such.
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Post by tIB on Feb 2, 2022 15:33:18 GMT
I'm going the same way - toyed with the idea of changing my double TBD order but didn't want to mess anyone around so will order the O_c next month... in black... which I'm hoping the rest of my rack will be by then!
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Post by tIB on Feb 2, 2022 18:32:03 GMT
Blacked out! I plan to eventually get all black panels. For me o_C has been a module I've been waiting just about since I start modular synths. I want to quantize to all these different scales and such. Out of interest have you done much with alternate tunings/scales? I played about with some microtonal stuff by ear using a Serge tkb which was fun, but knowing nothing of scales within the tuning it was lacking in any real thought. Like my of my stuff is really. |
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Post by funbun on Feb 2, 2022 21:25:11 GMT
Well, being a classically trained musician, I'll well-versed in scales. As having jazz experience as well, jazz is a music that doesn't, well, many of the notes found in traditional west-African music cannot be played in the western 12-note scale. That's why you hear jazz musicians bending and scooping notes all the time. We can only approximate those notes that exist "between-the-keys." In other systems of music, those notes actually exist, e.g., that there is a difference between A# and Bb. There are whole systems of music that have nothing to do with Western common practice. The whole field is really called xenharmonics. This includes micro- and macro-tonal music. Some music has intervals much wider than the 12 note equal division of the octave found in western music. If you go to Thailand, you'll hear a seven note scale much wider intervals that the western scale. Just as different languages have different sounds, different systems of music have different scales and temperaments. With modular synths in theory we should be able to divide the octave or any base interval into an infinite number of equal, just or custom divisions as we want, limited only by the resolution of the digital modules and system voltage. |
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Post by tIB on Feb 2, 2022 22:17:37 GMT
Well, being a classically trained musician, I'll well-versed in scales. As having jazz experience as well, jazz is a music that doesn't, well, many of the notes found in traditional west-African music cannot be played in the western 12-note scale. That's why you hear jazz musicians bending and scooping notes all the time. We can only approximate those notes that exist "between-the-keys." In other systems of music, those notes actually exist, that there is a difference between A# and Bb, and whole systems of music that have nothing to do with Western common practice.com. The whole field is really called xenharmonic. This includes micro- and macro-tonal music. Some music has intervals much wider than the 12 note equal division of the octave found in western music. If you go to Thailand, you'll hear a seven note scale much wider intervals that the western scale. Just as different languages have different sounds, different systems of music have different scales and temperaments. With modular synths in theory we should be able to divide the octave or any base interval into an infinite number of equal, just or custom divisions as we want, limited only by the resolution of the digital modules and system voltage. Yeah, I gathered you had some classical background- and understand what you are saying about scales/intervals/cultures (incidentally I lived in Thailand for a couple of years so recognise that reference directly)... Wondered if you had found a way of working with wider (or I think if then as narrower) intervals, or have a broader understanding of that from your classical study or beyond? If you do, have you experience in different modes and scales within those intervals, assuming they exist? I always think of classical training/study as 12 note but perhaps I'm being naive. The sum total of my microtonal play was to divide a note into three, so an western octave became 36 intervals, but within that I couldn't/didn't work with scales or modes, as you would in a western scale - it's not often you play something across all 12 notes of an octave so was stabbing the dark! Apologies for the ramble and probably barely coherent questions - I'm fascinated by this stuff and it's not too often I get to ask someone who knows theory deeply. |
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Post by funbun on Feb 2, 2022 23:24:16 GMT
Correct in music school they only teach 12-note western equal temperament, but they also teach you how to use your ears. You always go from what you know to what you don't know. As synthesists we are even better able to understand the basics of sound, and are used to hearing completely non-quantized sound.
So, yes, it won't sound anything like western music, but that's the point.
John Coltrane's Giant Steps in 15 equal division of the octave (EDO)
Giant Steps in 7 EDO
Giant Steps in 31 EDO
Compare to the original Giant Steps
The point is the intervals between chords Coltrane played were so wide that it didn't function at all as western music. Hearing it in a 15, 7 or other EDO actually sounds more pleasing from a progression standpoint. But because Coltrane was stuck with a saxophone that could only play 12 notes, he was quite limited in what he could truly do with a tune consisting only of giant steps.
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Post by tIB on Feb 3, 2022 7:38:18 GMT
I didn't know about the giant steps series, will have a listen thanks.
I'll do some more research about microtonality as it's something to explore... at the most basic level I don't even know if there are different scales/modes to play wiyhin, for example, a 36 tone ET tuning system.
When I set up that way I just randomised (for the most part, some I played) across the 36TET tuning system. It was probably more interesting to set up than to listen to!
I'll leave these here - some amazing stuff in her site with a cross varying tuning systems:
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Post by pt3r on Feb 3, 2022 8:10:31 GMT
Interesting series of Giant steps, never heard this before, the microtonal is most fascinating to my ears right now, I encountered microtonality a couple of years ago via my sax teacher who introduced me to the work of Robyn Hayward who made this album integrating microtonality using traditional instruments like the saxhorn ( robinhayward.bandcamp.com). The twelve note scale is basically the system of dead white males, who pushed it onto the world and convinced the majority of other white people that this is the only way to make 'real' music, a myth maintained by the likes of people like ben shapiro. Adam Neely made this insightful video on the kolonialism of the 12 tone system. |
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Post by tIB on Feb 3, 2022 9:41:51 GMT
My latest thing has a bit of 'microtonal' thing going on... unintentionally; it was a pain in the arse tuning that zither and keeping it there!
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Post by pt3r on Feb 3, 2022 13:05:23 GMT
Tuning is just a cultural thing , if you were to play a true temperament guitar coming from a normal guitar it would sound off, since guitars (at least the fretted ones) are not perfectly tuned. |
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Post by maydonpoliris on Feb 3, 2022 22:17:24 GMT
I always found it interesting when sliding up and down on a fretted guitar all the notes in between sound good too regardless of where they sat and its just the start and end point that brings it back in line with that "accepted" 12 note scale.
Why can't we just play all the notes in between I thought. well I guess it has been happening since day dot.
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Post by pt3r on Feb 4, 2022 7:09:05 GMT
I always found it interesting when sliding up and down on a fretted guitar all the notes in between sound good too regardless of where they sat and its just the start and end point that brings it back in line with that "accepted" 12 note scale. Why can't we just play all the notes in between I thought. well I guess it has been happening since day dot. Ligier amongst others builds fretless guitars, the only difference in playing with a conventional guitar is that you slide your fingers horizontally along the neck to do your bends. And I guess it takes a while to develop the muscle memory to know where to plave your fingers on the neck to produce the desired notes. And I have seen these touareg guitars where some of the frets have another fret added in between. |
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Post by maydonpoliris on Feb 4, 2022 7:55:13 GMT
pt3r interesting, additional frets in between or no frets. either way it would take a massive mind re org. wonder which one I'd prefer, prob the fretless.
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Post by dizzeesatchel on Feb 4, 2022 14:07:21 GMT
welp, i didn't hold out for long on this module  |
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Post by pol on Feb 4, 2022 22:00:14 GMT
Not quite the same thing as micro-tonal, but I've always liked the sound of Orchestral bass or fretless bass guitar more than regular bass - sometimes the metallic edge added by the frets on the sound is obvious, especially with poor playing but in general they seem to have a richer/fuller sound to me...
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Post by dizzeesatchel on Feb 16, 2022 13:10:14 GMT
robertlanger I'm contemplating having a custom frontplate made for this (with your blessing of course!!), inspired by some of the minimal eurorack versions out there:
Not sure what service you use for your PCBs but from initial investigation it seems like a v. small run of plain PCBs from jlcpbc.com is pretty cheap! I actually put a request in the notes with my TW order for an 'un-stamped' black panel if you had one (thinking that maybe you printed them in-house) but Carsten corrected me that the black ones are actually printed as part of manufacture so that's a no-go. In the wiki there's an example EasyEDA file for front panels but of course it's not O_C specific. Any chance you'd be willing to share the specs/file for this particular module? |
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Post by tgergo on Feb 16, 2022 14:21:09 GMT
robertlanger I'm contemplating having a custom frontplate made for this (with your blessing of course!!), inspired by some of the minimal eurorack versions out there: Not sure what service you use for your PCBs but from initial investigation it seems like a v. small run of plain PCBs from jlcpbc.com is pretty cheap! I actually put a request in the notes with my TW order for an 'un-stamped' black panel if you had one (thinking that maybe you printed them in-house) but Carsten corrected me that the black ones are actually printed as part of manufacture so that's a no-go. In the wiki there's an example EasyEDA file for front panels but of course it's not O_C specific. Any chance you'd be willing to share the specs/file for this particular module? I think it would be very cool if next to the awesome 3rd party modules we already have some artistically gifted folks would also start producing 3rd party front panels. |
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Post by dizzeesatchel on Feb 16, 2022 14:59:51 GMT
I hadn't thought that far ahead but that's a great idea! I'd be up for doing some designing if/when i get to grips with how the whole process works |
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Post by dizzeesatchel on May 21, 2022 12:12:34 GMT
robertlanger I'm contemplating having a custom frontplate made for this (with your blessing of course!!), inspired by some of the minimal eurorack versions out there:
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Not sure what service you use for your PCBs but from initial investigation it seems like a v. small run of plain PCBs from jlcpbc.com is pretty cheap! I actually put a request in the notes with my TW order for an 'un-stamped' black panel if you had one (thinking that maybe you printed them in-house) but Carsten corrected me that the black ones are actually printed as part of manufacture so that's a no-go. In the wiki there's an example EasyEDA file for front panels but of course it's not O_C specific. Any chance you'd be willing to share the specs/file for this particular module?
robertlanger bumping this since i can see you online - i'm still semi-considering this  I think the idea of people designing custom faceplates has been thrown around a bit - not sure how open you'd be to sharing the specs for the plates of various modules; would definitely understand if you wish to keep some kind of control over the consistency of the TW brand |
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