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Post by thetechnobear on Jan 21, 2019 10:34:39 GMT
I ain't got no GAS
Theme: Use GAS as fuel for inspiration. Background: This week is NAMM , a week where instrument manufactures try hard to induce GAS in us all, have us go starry eyed over their new shiny toys... But given AE modular has so much depth, so much to explore, have you fully explored it? do you really need more? So, an open ended challenge this week, based on a simple idea: rather than lusting after a new piece of gear, use that to fuel your inspiration to create something on AE modular. How can we turn this GAS to fuel inspiration? Product demonstrators are obviously keen to show new techniques, but I often find myself thinking, thats interesting... I think i could do something similar... so try... you don't need to emulate, or even get close - its just the idea/the starting point. Also often they will play an interesting demo, or some presets - perhaps those sounds, or melodies might be inspire some ideas if you use them as a launchpad. random examples: a new drum synth launch - try to do some drum synthesis, you hear a crazy FM lead sound - give it a go, volca modular and PO modular were announced as part of 'pre-NAMM' so are candidates  (if your not following NAMM, perhaps think about the last thing you considered buying, or review you watched - what was the appeal?) One thing is for sure... if you start creating something, before you know it you that GAS will be gone, it will have been used as fuel for your music, rather than a way to burn your wallet Submission window: Monday 21st Jan -> Monday 28th Jan (23:59:59)
Submissions should be made in this thread within the submission window above. Each entry should contain:- Link to audio or video example (embedded preferred)
- Short (or not so short) patch notes, explaining how you have built on the above theme
Your entry can be as short/long as you wish, a simple sound or a track, use external fx or synths, do what you can in the time you have - go wild, make the challenge yours! You are welcome to use previous entries, as inspiration, build on them to form something new, or just use in a different way. Everyone is actively encouraged to comment on entries , provide feedback and ideas... you are welcome to co continue commenting/discussing outside of the submission window. the more we discuss the more we all learn
this is part of the weekly patch challenge series - if you would like more information, or have ideas for the challenge, please post on the weekly patch challenge thread.
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Post by thetechnobear on Jan 24, 2019 13:42:33 GMT
I shared this idea/challenge with BoBeats and he liked the idea, so did a short video on it - so quick mention for AE yah Im about half way through an idea Ive got... but gremlins then hit, first nasty noise issue between 4IO and Hermod (found a workaround) and now my iMac (which I use for recording) is acting up... fingers crossed, things will settle down, and I can try to finish off today or tomorrow |
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Post by thetechnobear on Jan 25, 2019 20:35:20 GMT
Ok, I got a bit carried away this week ... lots of fuel out there, that resonated with me if you would like to hear more of the AE modular, prior to it going into the Organelle, you can hear that here: in this i spend a while playing with parameters to see what different sounds I can get in the patch, then came back to sample them.  |
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Post by spacedog on Jan 26, 2019 0:29:23 GMT
I spent a while playing with my Bastl Kastle, then, using the benefit of my learning, I cross-patched it with my AE Modular, which acted purely as a sound processor (i.e. no oscillators were harmed in the making of this sketch). I ran two lives passes, which used the AE Modulay DELAY and an external reverb pedal. I then added a recently recorded sample of a Dutch (I think) CB conversation from an online software receiver. So, to my mind, I'm hitting two patch challenges in one go I'm "demo-ing" the cross-patching capability of the two synths (Challenge #3) and I'm using the AE Modular as an effects generator (Challenge #2). Apologies that it's sound only. If you could have seen me frantically tweaking those pot stems you would know why my poor fingers are so sore - those stems are tough on the fingertips.
Overall, I was really impressed at being able to send and affect the modulation sources from one synth to the other. It also helped me to consider what new modules are going in that extra case - those moments of "if only I could do this..." kept happening.
I've started putting various experiments (Ambient Sketches) on my main Soundcloud page as I remove various tracks that have been reworked into new versions and issued via Bandcamp. The free space is quite useful for pieces that are nowhere near finished, like this one.
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Post by thetechnobear on Jan 26, 2019 11:39:43 GMT
wow thats a really nice vibe spacedog , its hard to even start imagining how you achieved that sound - very cool... I liked the way you have mixed the AE modular with other stuff, Kastl is great with it, and Im a sucker for a lush reverb
Ok, so I thought Id add some patch notes for the drum side, in case anyone is interested, but also so Ive got some notes somewhere... (might do another challenge with AE as a drum synth later ) do the basic model I went for for drums was: Kick : Sine with pitch env (down) -> env/vca Snare : Sine (short env) + Noise (longer env) -> HPF -> env/vca HiHat : (Noise + Sine ) -> HPF -> env/vca I didn't stick to this, just used it as a starting point - my goal really was just percussive sounds... (as per the above soundcloud, I then later mixed with Rings/Elements to get a resonating body, which really helps... but Im not going to cover that here) Id really love to hear if anyone else has tried drum synthesis, and has some ideas/patches for it?so here is what I roughly did... (note: I did this all in one patch, so I took some shortcuts e.g. in one I used a short gate into the VCA, as Id run out of envelopes  ) Kick/HiHatKick : I used the triangle output in place of a sine. its fun to adjust the pitch of the oscillator, and also the pitch envelope and how much it contributes. you can get quite a wide variety of sounds. HiHat: Id run out of triangles, so used a square, and used HPF to get the tone  Snare , and others
Snare: there the idea is get the initial impact with the triangle, then the noise is the tail of the snare Others: really I was just trying to generate more harmonics to get different sounds, with what I had left 
Overall, I didn't emulate any drums.. but quite enjoyed the percussive sounds I got, and playing with various parameters give alot of different results. what did i learn? a) I dont have enough envelopes ... and only just enough vcas on one 'sound' I had to use the gate directly into the vca... as no envelope lefts thats ok, I really want to add the newer 2env and 2vca , and a LPG, so that will round things out nicely b) vca level and envelope I found that the vca level can be used to get slightly different envelope 'shapes', i.e. don't always just use at 100% c) signal levels I really need one or two signal amps... as points I really struggled to get the level high enough, and if your dealing with a sound thats too quiet, and you amp it externally noise starts to become an issue. b) patching multiple drums in one go is confusing... I had wires going everywhere, trying to find a spare env or vca, so it was hard when later I want to 'perform' the patch... often Id be adjusting the wrong envelope, or oscillator. I guess if it was patched for longer or if I re-arranged my rack it would get easier... but I think its just an issue with a complex patch. c) external sequencing works well the soundcloud demo, this was sequenced using a pyramid (via eurorack) using euclidean sequences ... I actually set this up during patching, just to have something going to hear the 'kit' all at once , rather than program the sequence. its a nice way of being able to change the pattern quickly (just adjust euclid length or density) d) sampling making the kit on the AE, I of course realised by AE was not completely utilised... so I decided, it would be a good idea to sample it, that way you free the rack up again... and get to keep your 'patch' for the future. of course, you cannot tweak it later (or can you ) but I'm liking the idea of using the AE to create samples, as a sound design tool definitely something I want to explore more. (sub lesson : sample editing/preparation takes time, so better to just record a few good samples, rather than collect lots and 'decide later') was fun to do, and learnt a few things to carry forward. definitely want to do some more percussive sounds and sampling in the future. ok, notes done... now i can pull all the wires.... always feels liberating to have an empty rack! have a jolly weekend Mark |
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Post by spacedog on Jan 26, 2019 17:19:04 GMT
wow thats a really nice vibe spacedog , its hard to even start imagining how you achieved that sound - very cool... I liked the way you have mixed the AE modular with other stuff, Kastl is great with it, and Im a sucker for a lush reverb Thanks, thetechnobear. I will start to make a better stab at noting how I set these things up. I really do just start patching, find something interesting and then start tweaking... at which point, I hit record in Reaper and edit down large files later. I do find your drawings really useful, so I'll do something similar; it's the idea of trying to do something formally that puts me off. Drawing, I can do
So, in lieu of me actually noting things properly, I'll drag it up from my memory...One key component to what I did was to use the Bastl LFO to control both the Timbre on the Bastl and the DELAY time on the AE Modular, which gave it a "stretchy feel" as the Timbre changed - this went through the 2ATT module for fine control. I also used the LFO from the AE that was controlling the SEQ16 (driving the NYLE Filter, BP mode) to control the sweep the Waveshape on the Bastl, passing it through the 2ATT to control the depth of the sweep.
I did just remember that on the second pass, I added the NOISE, with the rate swept by the Bastl LFO, passed through the 2ATT/CV, again to control the depth in real-time. The NOISE output was passed through the WASP filter (swept by the Bastl LFO) and then through the VCA, which was modulated by the ENV, triggered via the TRIQ164, which had an interesting pattern set up and was triggered from the second AE Modular LFO.
What was really great was being able to cross-patch the modulations, as I said, and using the ATT module in real-time to control some of the sweeps really added a lot of interest to my ears. This is something that is going to produce lots of introductions to longer sequencer-based tracks, I can feel.
The revberb was a TC Electronic T2, a great reverb pedal that can be tweaked via the TonePrint app for some user customising. The final mix was given a hint of a Valhalla Shimmer Reverb in Reaper, just to bind together the two passes and the radio sample.
What did I learn (apart from the fact that I could lose half a day on this)...? I need more ATT modules, probably the 4ATTMIX will be a good buy, more LFOs won't hurt, a more controllable ENV (now available) and the 2SIGNALAMP will be useful as when I tried to pass the radio signal back into the AE Modular I needed an easy way to boost the signal. I also thought how useful it would be if the 2ATT could be CV controlled as well, but I'm sure with more modules I could have automated what my fingers had to do on those two pots.
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Post by thetechnobear on Jan 26, 2019 18:21:22 GMT
Thanks, thetechnobear . I will start to make a better stab at noting how I set these things up. I really do just start patching, find something interesting and then start tweaking... at which point, I hit record in Reaper and edit down large files later. I do find your drawings really useful, so I'll do something similar; it's the idea of trying to do something formally that puts me off. Drawing, I can do he he, my patches are pretty randomly patched... I think drawing/writing it down, just makes it appear more intentional... and yeah, drawing is quick, even if my writing is largely illegible interesting, so you chose to use the Bastl LFO as the main driver.. was that the 'sequencer' output, or the triangle - i guess at a pretty slow rate? I like the way you tied things together, via the lfo, presumably makes it less jarring for an ambient piece. using the ATT / 4ATT as some "macro knobs" is a good idea, can get a bit confusing diving in and changing modules params at times. hmm, with a vca you could also scale them.. seems like this would be good if you were trying to make a 'performance patch' yeah, the sig amp was my issue too, though more for subtle internal signals (triangle , or heavily filters sounds) 2ATT cv controllable ... a VCA ?! VCA : 5v (or in) ->cv, cv modulator (lfo) -> cv ... then you can use the cv dial to scale the input... I think you can then use a multi to add an offset... !? it be really useful to have something like the Befaco A*B+C in the AE... basically this is scale+offset , where dials can be used for B/C, but they are also present as cv in... what makes it even more useful is it does up to 2x gain, and also it inverters its got so many uses, mixer, gain, scale offset, attenuveter, attenuator! one of my favourite 'utility' modules. |
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Post by spacedog on Jan 26, 2019 19:00:23 GMT
Thanks for your comments, thetechnobear, some helpful thoughts in there. I'll just answer your points, rather than use quoting.
Yes, I used the Bastl Triangle at a slow rate, although I did also give that some tweaking - a second macro knob, in fact. I tried quite a few patches before I managed to get the smoothness that I wanted for the piece, limiting the modulation depths, by attenuation, helped a lot. I had CVs coming from the SEQ16 at first, but it was a bit jumpy for what I wanted.
Your mention of a performance patch really hit the nail on the head. Whenever I setup a patch I am looking to make a live performance out of it as I really like to grab those live noodlings and incorporate them into larger pieces. For me, that was what I really wanted from a modular: an instrument that would allow me to free myself from menus, patch banks and general laziness and make a performance out of one setup. Whilst more menu-based things have their place, I always enjoyed playing with the more hands-on synths that I own - I'd just never worked hard at the modular level before. Hence, to be able to do that at this price point was revelatory. I'd looked at Eurorack, but written it off for now as I really didn't want to make expensive mistakes. Plus, I have limited space.
Thanks for the thought on the VCA... of course, it's obvious once you say it. I'm pleased to be learning and willing to admit that it's going to take a while to think around these things.
My excitement at the new Korg Volca Modular was really as I saw it providing another interesting source - and some logic in the form of a A*B+C. I now see that I will have to "interface it", rather than simply just plug it in, like the Bastl. If the price is right (i.e. I won't be an early adopter), it could still be a good addition.
Apologies, I probably should move some of those points into other threads. Workflow does seem to be an interesting topic that elicits thinking and certainly I can always learn something from the way someone else approaches sound design and performance.
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Post by admin on Jan 27, 2019 2:20:09 GMT
So I did get around for another patch. I do lust after the Behringer MS101 and the Arturia Microfreak, but I think I can hold off by just keeping to experiment with my AE for a while yet.
So given that this is the only really working hardware synth I own I just created another patch for this week's challenge.
I started with adding two saw waves together to get a more powerful "supersaw" which I then ran through the Wasp filter and let it sweep by an LFO. I do wish for a proper drum voice .. but for now some noise going through a percussive envelope will have to do. I then thought of using the MultiFX only for one channel of the patch instead of putting the whole mix through it. And this became a kind of lead melody.
All of this can be improved vastly by a quantizer because I frankly have no perfect pitch and I'm too lazy to tune everything.
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Post by thetechnobear on Jan 27, 2019 11:04:00 GMT
I really like that admin, the bit at 1:15 really fills at the sound - and the 3 elements really blend in nicely - great job. (Im also jealous of your filming, looks much better than mind ) quantiser: I recently heard someone saying , don buchla didnt like quantising, as he saw no reason to fix to western scales - if it sounds good it is good but if you wanted to have quantised melodies, you could use an external midi sequencer, perhaps running on your iPhone , you have the usb dongle (?) so you just need a $15 USB -> midi din cable? (theres a ton of fun and free apps on the iPhone, which could be really interesting to mix with the AE modular?)
spacedog, I think its cool if these challenges spark discussions here... and sure, if/when you want to take further create another post if you wish. (btw: I think theres a couple of good posts on the lines forum (llllllll.co) about composing and performing on modular - I found them pretty enlightening) |
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Post by admin on Jan 27, 2019 11:16:31 GMT
I really like that admin, the bit at 1:15 really fills at the sound - and the 3 elements really blend in nicely - great job. (Im also jealous of your filming, looks much better than mind ) Glad you enjoyed this. Also I usually film in the morning with the sun coming into the room that makes lighting much easier! |
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Post by NightMachines on Jan 29, 2019 11:13:22 GMT
Alright, slowly catching up on the challenges! I've been looking at Groove Boxes, ever since I sold my MPC and Vermona DRM-1 drum synth. So for this challenge I patched up a percussion and bass ... thing ... which I control here and there with my DIY touch controller. I'm using all four VCAs, three ENVs, three Filters, LOPAG, etc. and sequence everything from the DIVIDER, receiving an LFO clock. The DIVIDER outputs go into the ENVs and one VCA, as well as the BEAT DIVIDER and LOGIC module, which add some variety to the gate sequences. The MULTIFX' Ring Crusher makes an appearance too, as well as pretty much everything else ... holy moly! Only the SEQ16 is not used, which I wanted to try out specifically. So no classic pitch sequencing here, only other parameter modulation by gates, another LFO and the touch sensors. That was really silly fun  Thanks for doing those challenges! Now on to #04, which will (finally) be something I plan to do without any "dirt" |
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Post by thetechnobear on Jan 29, 2019 13:11:45 GMT
cool, like the use of the touch plates , really nice way to get some hands-on modulation
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Post by spacedog on Jan 29, 2019 16:48:31 GMT
Alright, slowly catching up on the challenges! [...] That was really silly fun Thanks for doing those challenges! Now on to #04, which will (finally) be something I plan to do without any "dirt" Very enjoyable and indeed fun. It was interesting looking at your setup properly and the amount of DIY buried in there - very intriguing, not least because my inner engineer is just about to burst out of me, following my interest in adding some extra sources of modulation. |
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Post by admin on Jan 29, 2019 21:19:48 GMT
I also really like those touch plates! I may have to start building those for my setup, too.
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Post by NightMachines on Feb 1, 2019 17:55:08 GMT
Thanks, everyone! Those touch plates are cool. It’s just a simple voltage divider circuit that’s attached to them, so it’s a super easy DIY project. Generally, DIY never felt as rewarding to me as it does now with the AE Modular, although the Axoloti has also been really fun. It’s just so nice not to worry about voltage conversions, when everything is 0-5V only. I’m deep into Arduino Pro Micros at the moment and got some ICs coming in from Aliexpress soon, for even more projects. My notebook is so full of module ideas right now, haha!  |
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Post by arti on Mar 3, 2019 15:12:51 GMT
I know the time is over, but I was not here when it was announced so I'm doing it now. Beside, I'm not good with deadlines so I can't promise to take part in another challanges on time, bu I'll gladly take part in some of them once in a while since Your entry time politics is so liberal I've fueled my gas two ways here: - One way is using AEM to find Volca Modular-like metalic FM-y sound, which can be heard at 1:07. It was achieved on 2osc module by modulating PWM of osc1 with osc 2 square wave and terminating cv modulation of osc 1 (also on square wave) by seq16. At the begining both oscs pitch was modulated by 16seq. I think it's quite similiar to some characteristic sounds I've heard on VM demos, so there is no rush to buy it if my AEM may emulate it - the other way is to use all gear I got (almost) to convince myself there is enough already and I can produce multilayered piece with many things going on. Although there were no layered tracks, all is recorded live. At the begining, there is AEM only, about 1:14 other stuff is coming in. Hardware used: Korg Volca FM/Korg Volca Sample/Korg Volca Beats/Korg Volca Kick/Korg Monologue/Behringer Neutron/AE Modular//Korg SQ1/Behringer Xenyx 1202fx/Zoom R8 As the side effect (not challenge related) I've achieved my initial goal of integrating AEM with the rest of my rig, and I'm very happy about it! AEM produces two differerent clocks - regular one for volcas and Monologue and the other (weird) achived by using logical module to combine inverted accent with the output of one accented step from SEQ16 - it triggers shimmering robotic sounds from Neutron via SQ1 (it starts about 2:55). |
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Post by NightMachines on Mar 3, 2019 18:53:50 GMT
I know the time is over, but I was not here when it was announced so I'm doing it now. Beside, I'm not good with deadlines so I can't promise to take part in another challanges on time, bu I'll gladly take part in some of them once in a while since Your entry time politics is so liberal Sounds great!!! Don't worry about the schedule. We kind of agreed that the challenges are open indefinitely |
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Post by arti on Mar 3, 2019 18:59:01 GMT
We kind of agreed that the challenges are open indefinitely Awsome! That's my kind of deadlines |
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Post by admin on Mar 3, 2019 23:39:32 GMT
At the begining, there is AEM only, about 1:14 other stuff is coming in. Hardware used: Korg Volca FM/Korg Volca Sample/Korg Volca Beats/Korg Volca Kick/Korg Monologue/Behringer Neutron/AE Modular//Korg SQ1/Behringer Xenyx 1202fx/Zoom R8 This is a really nice track, with a nice build up. I'm impressed how you got everything in sync .. are you using the sync out from one of the Volcas to sync with AE or are you using an AE LFO to clock the Volcas? I'm thinking of getting a either a Volca Beats or the new Volca Drums to complement my AE, but need to know how to keep them both under the same clock. Also good to see that you got around to creating a soundcloud account! Only the first 3h of uploads are free, but that is lots and lots of smaller tracks before you need to consider alternatives. Some people have also got around this limit by creating multiple accounts apparently. |
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Post by arti on Mar 4, 2019 0:16:21 GMT
I'm glad You like the track I've sent two clocks out of AEM, first from LFO and the second from logic module (with two SEQ16 triggers combined) through CTRL1 I/O and CTRL2 I/O on Master module. From there one went to Monologue SYNC IN input, then from Monologue's SYNC OUT it went further to Volca Kick's SYNC IN, other volcas were chained to it the same way. The other went to Korg SQ1 sequencer's SYNC IN, and through MIDI it went to Neutron. So AEM was clocking itself and it was the source of two complementary clocks for the whole system. You may switch volcas the other way around to sync AEM to them, if You wish. The syncing with volcas wouldn't be a problem. Is it possible to remove the content from Soundcloud after the limit to free some space or it doesn't work this way? |
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Post by spacedog on Mar 4, 2019 10:21:20 GMT
[...] Is it possible to remove the content from Soundcloud after the limit to free some space or it doesn't work this way? I have two Soundcloud accounts, although you do need different email addresses for each account. So, in theory, you are limited by the number of email accounts to which you have access. I link the accounts by mentioning them in the other's notes. I also clean out my SoundCloud accounts regularly, removing sketches etc. as they become used in something, which may (or may not) then appear via Bandcamp. You can also run as many Bandcamp accounts as you have unique email addresses - I have two, one for a band I was in about 20 years ago and one for things I'm playing with now. As you can set them for "Name your Price", these can act as a storage area if you want, although there is always the chance that someone will download it... or even pay for it - there are some genrous people out there. As an aside, be aware that you only get 200 free Bandcamp downloads/month. I had a moment when I used all 200 up in one evening. I can't believe I was that popular, and some investigative work revealed the link on a Russian download site. I did dabble with YouTube, although I took that material down as I really need to improve massively any video accompaniment to the music. I just spent more time on the music. SoundCloud is your best bet, with frequent cleaning. It's so easy to integrate with this forum as well. |
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Post by spacedog on Mar 4, 2019 10:45:07 GMT
I know the time is over, but I was not here when it was announced so I'm doing it now. Beside, I'm not good with deadlines so I can't promise to take part in another challanges on time, bu I'll gladly take part in some of them once in a while since Your entry time politics is so liberal I've fueled my gas two ways here: - One way is using AEM to find Volca Modular-like metalic FM-y sound, which can be heard at 1:07. It was achieved on 2osc module by modulating PWM of osc1 with osc 2 square wave and terminating cv modulation of osc 1 (also on square wave) by seq16. At the begining both oscs pitch was modulated by 16seq. I think it's quite similiar to some characteristic sounds I've heard on VM demos, so there is no rush to buy it if my AEM may emulate it - the other way is to use all gear I got (almost) to convince myself there is enough already and I can produce multilayered piece with many things going on. Although there were no layered tracks, all is recorded live. At the begining, there is AEM only, about 1:14 other stuff is coming in. Hardware used: Korg Volca FM/Korg Volca Sample/Korg Volca Beats/Korg Volca Kick/Korg Monologue/Behringer Neutron/AE Modular//Korg SQ1/Behringer Xenyx 1202fx/Zoom R8 As the side effect (not challenge related) I've achieved my initial goal of integrating AEM with the rest of my rig, and I'm very happy about it! AEM produces two differerent clocks - regular one for volcas and Monologue and the other (weird) achived by using logical module to combine inverted accent with the output of one accented step from SEQ16 - it triggers shimmering robotic sounds from Neutron via SQ1 (it starts about 2:55). Nice sounds, arti . It's great that you're putting your new purchase to work so quickly and that you've integrated into your working rig. I think you'll find it fun to work through some of the challenges - it certainly can make you think about the modular in a way that might not be your normal way of approaching sound design. I do always try to do something vaguely within my personal style as well, that makes the experiments really worthwhile. I do also learn a lot from seeing how someone else has approached the same idea. I look forward to hearing more from you |
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Post by arti on Mar 4, 2019 11:21:22 GMT
I had a moment when I used all 200 up in one evening. I can't believe I was that popular, and some investigative work revealed the link on a Russian download site. Wow, You're probably a cult figure in Russia by now I think they have a thing for space dogs Thank You for explanations. I'll deal with this when I'll reach the end of my free 3 hours. Probably will do some cleaning once in a while. This Bandcamp storage option is nice solution too. |
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Post by arti on Mar 4, 2019 11:41:02 GMT
It's great that you're putting your new purchase to work so quickly and that you've integrated into your working rig. I think you'll find it fun to work through some of the challenges - it certainly can make you think about the modular in a way that might not be your normal way of approaching sound design. I do always try to do something vaguely within my personal style as well, that makes the experiments really worthwhile. I do also learn a lot for seeing how someone else has approached the same idea. I look forward to hearing more from you I'll try some other challanges for sure. To experiment with the whole modular concept is a major breakthrough for me. Even my semimodular Behringer Neutron, (which is great and I love it), wasn't as helpful in understanding the concept of sound creation because of it's prewired internal connections. Sometimes I didn't know why it behaved the way it was. Thanks to AEM I can understand the sound origins and modules' functions more clearly seeing every connection plus it gives more possibilities with sound design. I have the early version of 2rack and some slots are a bit touchy which makes the learning proces tricky sometimes. Once in a while the sound dies out and I have to investigate is it because of the wrong connection I've just made or because loose cable in the slot I've touched accidentaly. Thankfuly it doesn't happen very often. Nevertheless AEM is a great learning tool for me, as any modular probably would, but AEM I can afford And You'll definitely hear more from me |
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Thanks for doing those challenges! Now on to #04, which will (finally) be something I plan to do without any "dirt" 
