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Post by foxermod on May 29, 2021 14:03:08 GMT
This is something I've struggled with on mono systems for a while, and I've been thinking lately that it'd be nice to stop depending on Stereo FX in DAWs so much to get bigger stereo width.
So, I'd love to know what AE modules and techniques folks use to get a nice stereo image pre-recording...
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Post by moruial on May 29, 2021 19:54:28 GMT
My 6 I/O (2 from the master and 4 from the 4 I/O) are plugged into a Behringer mixer and then the Left and Right of the mixer goes into two in of my sound card, that way I always have a stereo mix whatever I record.
For the me modular is an instrument in itself, I can combine it with other instruments as weel, but in the DAW it's one entity. I often use the built in reverb and EQ of the mixer and it's quiet enough for me right now. I can record all in one take, as a jam, or layer multiple track if I want to adjust in after, but until now, it has always been a one track/jam with addition of other synths or sound I add in the DAW.
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Post by maydonpoliris on May 29, 2021 20:20:22 GMT
Same, I use the zoom L12 mixer, seperating the master audio I/O with built in effects as well as send/return pedal FX pushing them to the left or right via the EQ.
Also have the multifx module with L/R and mono outs.
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Post by NightMachines on May 29, 2021 20:42:22 GMT
The MIXCONSOLE helps a lot here, as it has stereo panning per channel as well as two stereo FX return paths. Since I got it, everything I do is in stereo  - A fun thing to try is audio rate panning, so for example by using the logic module, clocked by two square VCOs, to open and close two VCAs, each going to one output channel (left and right ear). - Another idea to play with is FX panning. E.g. set the dry signal to the middle and then send the wet signal (e.g. from a wavefolder, delay, etc.) through two different filters, each cutoff-modulated and then panned hard left/right. - You can also copy an audio signal before the VCA stages and use two different envelopes with two VCAs, one for each ear. The new 2ENV modules can even have their attack/decay times modulated. - Also, the age old trick of recording the same sequence twice and panning each recording hard left and right. Sometimes, due to the analog and drifty nature of our synths, you don’t even need to change any parameter between recordings to get interesting spacial effects. Just watch out for phase cancellation, so listen to both stereo and mono mixdowns afterwards, to see if all sounds are still where they belong  I once uplaoded a YouTube video where my voice was recorded with an old dictaphone, which had a flaky stereo headphone/line out. I put some normal synth music, etc. under the voice track and when I uploaded the video and listened to it on my mono phone speaker, my voice was cleanly phase cancelled and just gone |
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Post by foxermod on May 30, 2021 13:48:43 GMT
The MIXCONSOLE helps a lot here, as it has stereo panning per channel as well as two stereo FX return paths. Since I got it, everything I do is in stereo - A fun thing to try is audio rate panning, so for example by using the logic module, clocked by two square VCOs, to open and close two VCAs, each going to one output channel (left and right ear). - Another idea to play with is FX panning. E.g. set the dry signal to the middle and then send the wet signal (e.g. from a wavefolder, delay, etc.) through two different filters, each cutoff-modulated and then panned hard left/right. - You can also copy an audio signal before the VCA stages and use two different envelopes with two VCAs, one for each ear. The new 2ENV modules can even have their attack/decay times modulated. - Also, the age old trick of recording the same sequence twice and panning each recording hard left and right. Sometimes, due to the analog and drifty nature of our synths, you don’t even need to change any parameter between recordings to get interesting spacial effects. Just watch out for phase cancellation, so listen to both stereo and mono mixdowns afterwards, to see if all sounds are still where they belong I once uplaoded a YouTube video where my voice was recorded with an old dictaphone, which had a flaky stereo headphone/line out. I put some normal synth music, etc. under the voice track and when I uploaded the video and listened to it on my mono phone speaker, my voice was cleanly phase cancelled and just gone This, as well as the other ideas posted, are all really great. I'm super-encouraged to just try some new things out. I have a MIXCONSOLE on the way, as well as some other goodies - they were shipped last week. I'm really looking forward to working with some new modules. |
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Post by Gaëtan on May 31, 2021 8:39:42 GMT
Tip for the MIXCONSOLE : the FX returns can be used as 2 stereo inputs (if you don't need them for FX returns that is)
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Post by foxermod on May 31, 2021 19:08:04 GMT
Tip for the MIXCONSOLE : the FX returns can be used as 2 stereo inputs (if you don't need them for FX returns that is) This is a great tip! Looking forward to trying it. |
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Post by MaxRichardson97 on May 31, 2021 22:43:02 GMT
Tip for the MIXCONSOLE : the FX returns can be used as 2 stereo inputs (if you don't need them for FX returns that is) Heh - so if you had a 4/IO module you'd be able to connect a stereo AE signal from say the MultiFX and use it as a bonus input for the AE mixer, who knew! |
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Post by ean on Jun 1, 2021 0:35:28 GMT
The AE multi effects is nice for stereo. A mixer may have onboard effects (saves space).
Other ways? I take two audio outputs from the AE into two mixer channels. I pan the mixer channels left and right. I feed these channels into spatial effects on the mixer via an AUX send. This works with a mono sound from te AE, but I often EQ two mixer channels independantly to find different characteristic in that mono sound. They can be mixed into the AUX effects.
I also like using slighty different EQ'd mixer channels for each independant speaker. Even though the sound isn't travelling from speaker to speaker through an effect like a reverb or delays it does create a kind of stereo sound, because its a replecation of an environment. It's like a more interesting mono sound. Useful in leaving that wider stereo image free. Can't imagine their being any phase issues either as it's still mono.
What stereo effects in the mixer AUX? I'm always looking on ebay or reverb for multi effect boxes. I picked up some great cheaper equipment like the boss ce-300 super chorus. That chorus is stereo input but can use four outputs, which is both of my stereo mixer channels.
A very useful box I use is the Art splitmix4. It's passive so no need for power. I take one AUX send and split that signal into four seperate identical signal. This is enough to feed two stereo input multi effects units. Guitar effects need less of a signal so any loss is fine (never an issue). Just make sure you have enough free mixer channels to return the audio signals.
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Post by foxermod on Jun 1, 2021 1:04:10 GMT
The AE multi effects is nice for stereo. A mixer may have onboard effects (saves space).
Other ways? I take two audio outputs from the AE into two mixer channels. I pan the mixer channels left and right. I feed these channels into spatial effects on the mixer via an AUX send. This works with a mono sound from te AE, but I often EQ two mixer channels independantly to find different characteristic in that mono sound. They can be mixed into the AUX effects.
I also like using slighty different EQ'd mixer channels for each independant speaker. Even though the sound isn't travelling from speaker to speaker through an effect like a reverb or delays it does create a kind of stereo sound, because its a replecation of an environment. It's like a more interesting mono sound. Useful in leaving that wider stereo image free. Can't imagine their being any phase issues either as it's still mono.
What stereo effects in the mixer AUX? I'm always looking on ebay or reverb for multi effect boxes. I picked up some great cheaper equipment like the boss ce-300 super chorus. That chorus is stereo input but can use four outputs, which is both of my stereo mixer channels.
A very useful box I use is the Art splitmix4. It's passive so no need for power. I take one AUX send and split that signal into four seperate identical signal. This is enough to feed two stereo input multi effects units. Guitar effects need less of a signal so any loss is fine (never an issue). Just make sure you have enough free mixer channels to return the audio signals.
This is great stuff... thank you for this! |
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Post by martynaudio on Jun 3, 2021 12:42:08 GMT
You can use the lo-fi delay to create a chorus ish stereo effect too.. Split your mono audio out and send the original through to your interface panned hard left, send the split to the lo-fi delay and set the feedback time and delay time to really short, mix at 100% and then send this to your Ch 2 or R on your recording interface ,you can then adjust the feedback and rate to bring in a wider stereo mix  |
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Post by foxermod on Jun 4, 2021 3:04:04 GMT
You can use the lo-fi delay to create a chorus ish stereo effect too.. Split your mono audio out and send the original through to your interface panned hard left, send the split to the lo-fi delay and set the feedback time and delay time to really short, mix at 100% and then send this to your Ch 2 or R on your recording interface ,you can then adjust the feedback and rate to bring in a wider stereo mix Just tried this out tonight with a patch. It was a pretty cool result. Took a video. I'll post it soon! Thanks for the inspiration! |
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Post by Gaëtan on Jun 4, 2021 4:47:09 GMT
You can use the lo-fi delay to create a chorus ish stereo effect too.. Split your mono audio out and send the original through to your interface panned hard left, send the split to the lo-fi delay and set the feedback time and delay time to really short, mix at 100% and then send this to your Ch 2 or R on your recording interface ,you can then adjust the feedback and rate to bring in a wider stereo mix This is actually how an actual chorus works : the signal is imperceptibly delayed and the delay time is then modulated to give that wobbly effect. Of course the lofi delay can't go short enough to be truly a chorus, but still. |
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Post by martynaudio on Jun 4, 2021 6:24:41 GMT
You can use the lo-fi delay to create a chorus ish stereo effect too.. Split your mono audio out and send the original through to your interface panned hard left, send the split to the lo-fi delay and set the feedback time and delay time to really short, mix at 100% and then send this to your Ch 2 or R on your recording interface ,you can then adjust the feedback and rate to bring in a wider stereo mix This is actually how an actual chorus works : the signal is imperceptibly delayed and the delay time is then modulated to give that wobbly effect. Of course the lofi delay can't go short enough to be truly a chorus, but still. Yup indeed! |
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Post by martynaudio on Jun 4, 2021 6:26:09 GMT
You could use an LFO to modulate the delay rate (after attenuating it a lot!) That would also create a bit of a chorus illusion too
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Post by keurslagerkurt on Jun 10, 2021 21:28:15 GMT
You can use the lo-fi delay to create a chorus ish stereo effect too.. Split your mono audio out and send the original through to your interface panned hard left, send the split to the lo-fi delay and set the feedback time and delay time to really short, mix at 100% and then send this to your Ch 2 or R on your recording interface ,you can then adjust the feedback and rate to bring in a wider stereo mix This is actually how an actual chorus works : the signal is imperceptibly delayed and the delay time is then modulated to give that wobbly effect. Of course the lofi delay can't go short enough to be truly a chorus, but still. There are some chorus DIY builds out there based on the PT2399 chip that is also used in the lofi delay. I know the 'little angel chorus' for example. However i didn't build one myself as a lot of users/builders seem to have a pretty strong disliking for it on guitar pedal forums. However these forums tend to be prone to elitists, so it's probably still An okay chorus. But happy to hear that i can actually now check for myself how it sounds thanks to AE & these great tips 😄 |
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Post by foxermod on Jun 11, 2021 4:27:38 GMT
There are some chorus DIY builds out there based on the PT2399 chip that is also used in the lofi delay. I know the 'little angel chorus' for example. However i didn't build one myself as a lot of users/builders seem to have a pretty strong disliking for it on guitar pedal forums. However these forums tend to be prone to elitists, so it's probably still An okay chorus. But happy to hear that i can actually now check for myself how it sounds thanks to AE & these great tips 😄 I say just do what makes you happy/sounds great. Instruments are instruments, and effects are effects. It'd be pretty depressing not being able to use a great effect because it's unorthodox in the eyes of elitists. Just use the dang thing |
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Post by moruial on Jun 17, 2021 15:56:00 GMT
Quick question, can a MULT be used for a audio signal to be split in two (or more)? I'm about to get a new bigger mixing desk (like waaay bigger) and wanted to know if I can use that technique to split audio signal to hard left and hard right on the mixing desk. or will the signal be distored/weaken/Idontknow using the MULT? Or is it the job for the 4BUFFER?
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Post by pol on Jun 17, 2021 22:15:02 GMT
Quick question, can a MULT be used for a audio signal to be split in two (or more)? I'm about to get a new bigger mixing desk (like waaay bigger) and wanted to know if I can use that technique to split audio signal to hard left and hard right on the mixing desk. or will the signal be distorted/weaken/Idontknow using the MULT? Or is it the job for the 4BUFFER?
A mult can be used as you suggest, but you may lose some quality/volume. The 4Buffer would give you a better result for quiet signals, or sounds not lost in a mix.... Most AE modules have more than 1 out which would be a better way of getting 2 signals, e.g. all the filters, Wavefolder, all the FX modules, 2VCA etc. |
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Post by moruial on Jun 18, 2021 7:54:51 GMT
Indeed, i wasn't thinking about the multiple out... stupid me. Thanks!
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Post by johnoffinland on Jun 30, 2021 14:59:21 GMT
Tip for the MIXCONSOLE : the FX returns can be used as 2 stereo inputs (if you don't need them for FX returns that is) Following on Felix's post above (all excellent options I came to after watching Carsten's inspiring QVCA panning demo), I have been pushing the stereo abilities of the system and also figured out how to add 2 sets of stereo inputs as FX, including external audio via the 4I/O. I add field recordings directly from a Zoom H2n into the 4I/O. My working method is to use the 4ATTMIX Faders in conjunction with the MIXCONSOLE, as faders are easier to, well, fade. (I had been adding some stereo effect via the OTO Machine effects but have weaned myself away to straight AE Modular system / effects now that I have the stereo worked out.) |
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Post by pol on Jun 30, 2021 16:11:18 GMT
Tip for the MIXCONSOLE : the FX returns can be used as 2 stereo inputs (if you don't need them for FX returns that is) Following on Felix's post above (all excellent options I came to after watching Carsten's inspiring QVCA panning demo), I have been pushing the stereo abilities of the system and also figured out how to add 2 sets of stereo inputs as FX, including external audio via the 4I/O. I add field recordings directly from a Zoom H2n into the 4I/O. My working method is to use the 4ATTMIX Faders in conjunction with the MIXCONSOLE, as faders are easier to, well, fade. (I had been adding some stereo effect via the OTO Machine effects but have weaned myself away to straight AE Modular system / effects now that I have the stereo worked out.) Good idea, just bought the 4 ATT/Fader! |
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I once uplaoded a YouTube video where my voice was recorded with an old dictaphone, which had a flaky stereo headphone/line out. I put some normal synth music, etc. under the voice track and when I uploaded the video and listened to it on my mono phone speaker, my voice was cleanly phase cancelled and just gone 
