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Post by funbun on Feb 6, 2021 22:07:10 GMT
My challenge to the community is how would you patch up a Maths using only current AE Modular modules?
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Post by funbun on Feb 6, 2021 22:32:43 GMT
Here's how I would do it:
SLEW/EDGE
4ATT/MIX
2ENV
qvca
SLEW/EDGE
NOTE: If you wanted the logic function, just throw in the OR 2x4 module, and you have MATHS. This is even more fun when you use AE Modular Grid to flesh out these ideas.
This is, what, 6U of space? If we had a dedicated Maths for AE Modular how much narrower would it be? 5U maybe? 4U with a bit of alchemy or leaving out the logic unit? Even if you did only half this with a SLEW/EDGE, 2VCA, and 2ENV, you're still at 3U for a half Maths, sans the logic unit. 4U for the logic unit.
Robert's design is so small, affordable that how much space and money can you save with a dedicated MATHS, SSG, or other multi function analog modules? You'd almost be better of running a pair of Arduino chips or something to get the size down. but I know nothing about electronics, so I'll concede this to better people.
For this year, I definitely plan to add a Maths and Serge Stepped and Smooth Generator via the current AE modular modules.
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Post by keurslagerkurt on Feb 7, 2021 9:17:24 GMT
I feel like I would only really 'get' Maths once I own one. Or maybe I should try and mount an AE 'replacement' in one dedicated space.
I think what you're missing right now with the modules you mentioned, is the 'inverter' part of the attenuverters of Maths no? So I guess you'd need two CVTools, or the Polamix (and just leave it at three).
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Post by funbun on Feb 7, 2021 12:57:08 GMT
Don't forget: The qvca has four inverters. Combined with the 4ATTMIX, problem solved.
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Post by keurslagerkurt on Feb 7, 2021 14:02:08 GMT
Don't forget: The qvca has four inverters. Combined with the 4ATTMIX, problem solved. Right, smart!! I really need to get one asap clearly! š Also made me wonder whether you could use the slew/Edge pulse to feed another slew/Edge (that changes the pulse into a slower env) and in that way create an Endless chain of envelopes? I guess if the slew module had An 'end' pulse it would have even been patchable as an lfo/env on it's own'. Mine is still in production, can't wait to have it. |
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Post by funbun on Feb 7, 2021 14:43:50 GMT
That's a good question. I'm still waiting on my second SLEW as well. At any rate people in forums are already using the 2ENV as an LFO, but not on it's own, as I understand.
What should we call this experiment manual maths?
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Post by keurslagerkurt on Feb 7, 2021 21:56:11 GMT
"Manual maths (without a manual)"?
I've always found it interesting too that Maths gathers such endless hype, while it is in the end a utility tool, and seems to be a fairly "classic" one. I mean, I love my utility tools, but its easier to get excited about crazy VCO's, modulators, or sequencers! It really must be a joy to patch that module.
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Post by Gaƫtan on Feb 8, 2021 7:01:19 GMT
Maths doesn't do anything that is specific to Maths, it is just a very convenient package. I think you can do nearly everything it does with AE, although with more patching
On the mixing side, it is pretty straightforward. 2x2CV TOOLS will be your 4 attenuverters. The SUM can be attained with a MIXER 4-4, and can be inverted with another 2CV TOOLS (or 2ATT). The OR I am less sure about, I think simply the OR module would do but I don't have it (yet).
Now for the function part. The 2ENV is an obvious base, but it lacks several features : no slew, no log/exp control, and it only outputs a trigger when the whole cycle is done (the first half of math does it on the end of the rise part). The latter can be done by having one envelope with a zero decay, whose end will trigger another envelope with zero attack. You can normally patch an exponential envelope using feedback, although I have never tried. As for the slew, the SLEW/EDGE module is directly inspired by the Serge slope generator, which is also the inspiration behind Maths, so it is very close. It differs in that, on the SLEW/EDGE, you cannot CV the slew rate. I actually think that it is the only thing you cannot do on AE.
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Post by pt3r on Nov 21, 2021 19:44:47 GMT
Bumping this thread to see if someone came already up with a math patch.
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Post by funbun on Nov 28, 2021 11:03:43 GMT
While I haven't done a specific Maths patch, I use the components of Maths all the time. Between the logic circuits, cv tools, mixers, slew limiters, AD envelops and etc, many of us have the components of Maths peppered throughout our racks.
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Post by Morn Valley on Dec 2, 2021 0:04:45 GMT
I remember Tony Rolando talking about his idea for Maths in a podcast and he mentioned he was playing around with two Bananalogue Serge style VCS (voltage-controlled slope) modules and a Doepfer polarising mixer which gave him the idea for the original module.
I really need to play around with that Bissell Function Block circuit from Handmade Electronic music at some point.
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Post by dizzeesatchel on Jun 11, 2024 19:32:25 GMT
It's been a few years since this thread was active... i wonder if with the uModules available now we could build a pretty compact Maths-like setup? There's a micro envelope, umix and uattenuverter, a comparator, logic/or modules... no micro Slew but you could put two standard slew modules, one on each side of the uModules. Maybe it could squeeze into 4U with this setup?
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Post by feijai on Jun 29, 2024 13:39:40 GMT
It's been a few years since this thread was active... i wonder if with the uModules available now we could build a pretty compact Maths-like setup? There's a micro envelope, umix and uattenuverter, a comparator, logic/or modules... no micro Slew but you could put two standard slew modules, one on each side of the uModules. Maybe it could squeeze into 4U with this setup?
GRAINS could do much of this stuff if you are restricted to a single CV output. If you had four analog inputs, two of which were attenuated by pots, plus one extra pot and one digital input or output, what would you do? How about if the two non-attenuated inputs could instead provide a digital out? What would you want to see? |
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