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Post by ashito on Jan 26, 2021 13:39:14 GMT
Hello all.
This is probs my first post here. I just received delivery of a Seq8 and I'm having trouble resetting it to the bus start. I'm clocking my AE from Logic and running everything through the beat divider with no problems. My Beat Divider, MM Divider, Seq16 and Trig164 are all patched on each module from B.Start to the reset, so everytime I start Logic from the top all the
modules reset like good boi's. Except for the Seq8.
The Seq8 runs as expected when clocked to a source but as soon as I patch in the B.Start to the reset is stops running.
Any ideas?
Thanks in advance
Ash
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Post by solipsistnation on Jan 26, 2021 18:23:18 GMT
Patch it to Bus Stop instead.
This is kind of weird, yes-- I ran into a similar thing with mine. What I think is going on (based on a bunch of messing around) is that if it gets a solid +5V to the reset, it'll ALWAYS reset (and thus never move), while the other sequencers seem to reset on edges rather than values. And I think the bus start sends a solid +5 rather than a pulse.
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bert
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Post by bert on Jan 26, 2021 18:49:57 GMT
Yes, I have exactly the same issue. I also resorted to using bus stop instead.
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Post by ashito on Jan 26, 2021 20:08:04 GMT
Patch it to Bus Stop instead. Thanks. I did try that and although it works it resets to beat 1 but actually starts plaing on beat 2 for some reason? IDK?
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bert
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Post by bert on Jan 26, 2021 21:25:23 GMT
Right. What I do is just take that into account when making my sequence. The first step of the SEQ8 contains the last step of my sequence. I also haven't found a better solution.
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Post by spacedog on Jan 27, 2021 9:34:09 GMT
Ahhhhh, sequencers... Realistically, as soon as you mix DAW and hardware, you start to run into start/stop/sync issues. If you're playing live then you need work-arounds, and you need to decide which will be the master, which itself requires a bit of experimentation.
If you're recording, the absolute easiest way (and the only way to ensure rock solid sync) is either:
- To record your AE Modular against compensated DAW tracks (which might mean a bit of pre-roll); or
- To record your AE Modular and shift it later (throwing away 7/8 of a bar, for example), and trimming the end back.
Thee are undoubtedly many variants of what I've said, and you may have your own method(s). I've recorded a lot of synchronised sequences and as soon as you mix DAW and hardware it gets complicated. In fact, just hardware can be tough without a rock solid clock upon which you know you can rely.
My point is more that you're always going to run into less-than-perfect world (MIDI is serial, clocks vary, etc.), so I believe you have to accept and compensate for these imperfections. Some hardware sequencers are much better than others, and some DAW/computer pairs are way better than others at clock stability - that's when you decide which configuration and direction of control gives you the best chance of capturing your performance.
I could say more, but I'm boring myself now... 
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Post by robertlanger on Jan 27, 2021 10:28:22 GMT
Ahhhhh, sequencers... Realistically, as soon as you mix DAW and hardware, you start to run into start/stop/sync issues. If you're playing live then you need work-arounds, and you need to decide which will be the master, which itself requires a bit of experimentation.
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As spacedog stated, the start/stop/sync topic is not as simpleas it looks... There are several strategies and seemingly not a real standard how things work. For example: You have resetted you sequencer, you start your song, it gets the first clock pulse - should it go then to step TWO? technically it happens like this without any further measures, but makes not really sense from a musical standpoint. With the AE sequencers, I follow the strategy that after a reset, the first clock pulse does not advance the steps, only fires a trigger. (Other manufacturers' ssquencers go to the last step after a reset.) I had a longer chat about this with Chris, Doepfer's software developer, without getting the silver bullet. Regarding the mentioned reset issue: With the SEQ16 it was/is indeed necessary to use BUS STOP for reset (has to do with the hardware); for SEQ8, BUS START *should* work, but maybe a certain constellation causes the issue. I will investigate it again! |
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Post by Gaëtan on Jan 27, 2021 10:59:06 GMT
I could say more, but I'm boring myself now... Oh please, you need to write a book ! Come to think of it you have probably written enough already in this forum to make one. |
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Post by ashito on Jan 27, 2021 17:18:55 GMT
More confusion  I'm sure I'll work around it. My setup is pretty complex as it is. I'm just at that point where I'm getting it to more usable and less complex instead of the dreaded creativity killer opposite. Thanks
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