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Post by Gaëtan on Nov 8, 2020 6:25:08 GMT
Tape would be better, it would fit easily on 2 tapes and it's much cheaper to make in small batches. Of course I'd buy even a double CD.
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Post by admin on Nov 8, 2020 6:37:29 GMT
Tape would be better, it would fit easily on 2 tapes and it's much cheaper to make in small batches. Of course I'd buy even a double CD. When you buy the album you can download the uncompressed wav files and burn it to a CD without losing any quality. |
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Post by bahm on Nov 8, 2020 6:58:53 GMT
You are right with the playtime, I just calculated wrong... it was too late yesterday. Making all Tracks a bit shorter could be doable. I personally would pay 120€ too... Just to own this on Vinyl. And if there would be some sales... i mean for 26 sales everybody could get back 20€s.... And no, Cds will not be cassettes of the future and vinyl is still vinyl.  The coversize alone is worth it to put it on a wall even if you don't have a turntable. I can remaster it with clicks, pops, saturation and compression if you like...? You can play it with a blindfold on and Bob's your Banana To you, only $60 (50% off your "willing tp pay" price). For an extra $20, I'll do you a 12" cover with authentic discoloured and peeling covering. Sorry if you don't like the idea but the only music I personally buy is on vinyl. In the car I have a sd card (mostly the stuff I bought on cd in the 90s and 00s) but at home the platter has to turn. Its not about pops and clicks, its haptic and a ritual, taking it in my hands and putting the needle on. I'm not alone with that, vinyl has a market. And as here are a lot of people which own modular or synthies for 1000s of €s i thought a hundred isn't too much to spend for that. But I also know 300 pieces will most likely never sell because its too niche and unknown. That's why I had the idea of maybe it would be possible to sell it together with the starter rack and getting the production cost of 9 to 10€ per piece back over time. One downside is, the shipping box format doesn't fit a 12" and maybe an extra box would be needed for protection. Juno sells the ae, which is a bit of a connection of the two things too. But if even 99% of ae buyers don't own a record player... i don't know they want to own this "piece of merch" then. I mean for 13 bucks some would buy a poster maybe? And this is a small poster with a free record inside then or even two. But if I am alone with this idea it doesn't make sense, thats also no problem. I also like tape but there are way less poeple using tapes I believe. Cds are not an option, common in most players you can't even see it turning and if, it's too fast.... also its the same as a download. |
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Post by spacedog on Nov 8, 2020 12:01:27 GMT
I can remaster it with clicks, pops, saturation and compression if you like...? You can play it with a blindfold on and Bob's your Banana To you, only $60 (50% off your "willing tp pay" price). For an extra $20, I'll do you a 12" cover with authentic discoloured and peeling covering. Sorry if you don't like the idea but the only music I personally buy is on vinyl. In the car I have a sd card (mostly the stuff I bought on cd in the 90s and 00s) but at home the platter has to turn. Its not about pops and clicks, its haptic and a ritual, taking it in my hands and putting the needle on. I'm not alone with that, vinyl has a market. And as here are a lot of people which own modular or synthies for 1000s of €s i thought a hundred isn't too much to spend for that. But I also know 300 pieces will most likely never sell because its too niche and unknown. That's why I had the idea of maybe it would be possible to sell it together with the starter rack and getting the production cost of 9 to 10€ per piece back over time. One downside is, the shipping box format doesn't fit a 12" and maybe an extra box would be needed for protection. Juno sells the ae, which is a bit of a connection of the two things too. But if even 99% of ae buyers don't own a record player... i don't know they want to own this "piece of merch" then. I mean for 13 bucks some would buy a poster maybe? And this is a small poster with a free record inside then or even two. But if I am alone with this idea it doesn't make sense, thats also no problem. I also like tape but there are way less poeple using tapes I believe. Cds are not an option, common in most players you can't even see it turning and if, it's too fast.... also its the same as a download. Speaking as someone who owns about 3000 records, I do get it. Hence my use of a smiley. |
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Post by MaxRichardson97 on Nov 8, 2020 12:39:46 GMT
Vinyl really doesn't bother me personally, but there's a site I know that crowdfunds for vinyl records! Thought I'd drop a link in case anyone is interested for their own records 😁 www.diggersfactory.com/vinyl-pressing |
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Post by rockysmalls on Nov 8, 2020 13:21:07 GMT
I can remaster it with clicks, pops, saturation and compression if you like...? You can play it with a blindfold on and Bob's your Banana To you, only $60 (50% off your "willing tp pay" price). For an extra $20, I'll do you a 12" cover with authentic discoloured and peeling covering. Sorry if you don't like the idea but the only music I personally buy is on vinyl. In the car I have a sd card (mostly the stuff I bought on cd in the 90s and 00s) but at home the platter has to turn. Its not about pops and clicks, its haptic and a ritual, taking it in my hands and putting the needle on. I'm not alone with that, vinyl has a market. And as here are a lot of people which own modular or synthies for 1000s of €s i thought a hundred isn't too much to spend for that. But I also know 300 pieces will most likely never sell because its too niche and unknown. That's why I had the idea of maybe it would be possible to sell it together with the starter rack and getting the production cost of 9 to 10€ per piece back over time. One downside is, the shipping box format doesn't fit a 12" and maybe an extra box would be needed for protection. Juno sells the ae, which is a bit of a connection of the two things too. But if even 99% of ae buyers don't own a record player... i don't know they want to own this "piece of merch" then. I mean for 13 bucks some would buy a poster maybe? And this is a small poster with a free record inside then or even two. But if I am alone with this idea it doesn't make sense, thats also no problem. I also like tape but there are way less poeple using tapes I believe. Cds are not an option, common in most players you can't even see it turning and if, it's too fast.... also its the same as a download. but to be serious for a moment ( and to mitigate my obvious sarcastic streak ) I appreciate and feel the same about your point on the act of “sitting down to listen to music” .. that seems to be the missing thing nowadays,, peoples listening often via low grade youtube links stumbled upon and briefly skimmed through.. I DO have an appreciation for vinyl.. i have more than 10,000 of the beggars in my collection and sometimes it feels like a millstone around my neck, I loved it in the 90’s when producing records and it was aprox 15% of the market.. you could make money on the cD sales and risk some of that on a vinyl release ,, often breaking even and just as often losing money .. which if course could happen just as easily with Cd.. just not as much money down the pan! the sitting down and consciously spending time listening to music is a fine thing , hell, it was a social thing , spending evenings at friends listening to their purchases and swapping yr own ( for a bit of illegal cassette taping ). it’s an important thing BUT i would say that that could just as easily be a CD you are putting on or a rare cassette the ritual is the same. having been dipping my toes back into production these last few years , i have been suckered after success with CDs by the distributors persuading me into putting a lot of money into a vinyl that they then did little to no promo AND charged me storage to boot , a deficit ensued. The distributors want vinyl ,, the mark up is so much better for them , and i think they are partially responsible for hyping the thing up so much. ,, it makes sense ,, but personally i don’t like the over emphasis ,, it’s not particularly ecological ( manufacturing AND postage footprint ) and if we were gigging right now ,, i know i would prefer to have 10 or 15 cds in my luggage for sale at gigs rather than hoofing that amount of vinyl around.. i still buy the odd vinyl ,, probably only about 3 or 4 LPs a year now and they have to be really important to me , just got 2 new Zoviet France VOD ones ,, i guess thats because nearly ALL my ZF is on vinyl so it was VERY APPEALING. But personally having been burned I have now taken to releasing on CD BUT in a folded A5 card format .. which when unfolded gives you aprox an 9 inch by 11inch visual surface .. so almost a 10” record sleeve.. i think that's a decent compromise on the ‘no sleeve’ problem. so any road, i DO like the idea, and obvs if many people participate financially it’s not such a burden.. but i’m just not convinced it’s appropriate in this case ,, plus it takes SO LONG to do a vinyl these days .. 4 months at best .. longer than 6 sometimes .. a CD on the other hand can be back within 8 days !! ( in normal circumstances that is! ) weirdly, despite having been involved in vinyl so much in the past , nowadays I find the fetishising of the “cassette mechanism” much more understandable ,, despite its shortcomings ,, it’s just so visibly pleasing to me as a sound making mechanism in action .. I can’t explain it ,, it’s like bicycles! when you see someone on one its great to think that we are still using a mechanism that is about 200 years old.. with that many years of refinement embodied in it.. |
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Post by spacedog on Nov 8, 2020 13:36:08 GMT
[...]Cds are not an option, common in most players you can't even see it turning and if, it's too fast.... also its the same as a download. I get a lot of requests for my music on CD. I point out that they are welcome to take my 24-bit download releases down to 16-bit for burning, but I'm not selling CDs (or, as most companies do, CDRs, which are the work of the Devil himself/herself). Interestingly, I also get a lot of requests to go up to 96kHz, which I would do, but then I'd have to record at that sample rate to make the whole thing worthwhile.
I get sad when I see companies selling CDRs for high prices, it just feels wrong - but there is a market. I agree, if you want to get tactile, LPs are one way to go, but to get the best from them you have to combine excellent pressings on quality vinyl, good storage, and high quality equipment. I've got the last two sorted, but all too often my pressings (ranging from the 50's onwards) are poor quality on thin inferior vinyl. I welcomed CD releases for some of those - and then, of course, I got suckered into buying the increasing number of remaster/remixes/one-bit doo-dahs for my favourites.
Ah, yes, and then there's cassettes. Now, I liked the sound that my old reel-to-reel imparted, but not so much my various high-quality cassette decks. Bizarrely, Tangerine Dream released a cassette version of the 1974 Reims bootleg to coincide with their London exhibition this year. Fans went crazy for it and it's probably a collectors' item already. I didn't bother, but that was a personal choice as I already had a version that sounded as good as I think it can considering the source recording. Of course, putting it on cassette was a piece of marketing genius as they could sell a product that everyone already had for a lovely high price - and most people will never play it, they just want to own it.
It's probably a personal thing, but having grown up with all of these "technologies" (I was heavy user of DAT for recording as well), I tend to look past the reproduction mechanism, and what it's adding or subtracting, and more towards how the music affects me. Of course, I can appreciate the ritual of the LP, but let's not forget that for some that ritual was for the CD - or now, pointing and clicking
Anyway, enough of this, I need coffee, and philosophical discussions never really work here. Personally, I think the AEther Waves release sounds great as a download. There is a warmth in there there that I attempted to mine and bring out for everyone. If it helps to get the word out there that can't be a bad thing.
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Post by spacedog on Nov 8, 2020 13:43:18 GMT
but to be serious for a moment ( and to mitigate my obvious sarcastic streak ) I appreciate and feel the same about your point on the act of “sitting down to listen to music” .. that seems to be the missing thing nowadays,, peoples listening often via low grade youtube links stumbled upon and briefly skimmed through.. I DO have an appreciation for vinyl.. i have more than 10,000 of the beggars in my collection and sometimes it feels like a millstone around my neck, I loved it in the 90’s when producing records and it was aprox 15% of the market.. you could make money on the cD sales and risk some of that on a vinyl release ,, often breaking even and just as often losing money .. which if course could happen just as easily with Cd.. just not as much money down the pan! the sitting down and consciously spending time listening to music is a fine thing , hell, it was a social thing , spending evenings at friends listening to their purchases and swapping yr own ( for a bit of illegal cassette taping ). it’s an important thing BUT i would say that that could just as easily be a CD you are putting on or a rare cassette the ritual is the same. having been dipping my toes back into production these last few years , i have been suckered after success with CDs by the distributors persuading me into putting a lot of money into a vinyl that they then did little to no promo AND charged me storage to boot , a deficit ensued. [...] You've nailed a massive point for me. The real ritual is the listening and the way I'm affected. That did also used to be more of a social thing as well - that joy of taking an LP around to a gathering and sharing the listening experience was a heady moment. Often fuelled by heady substances, if memory serves correctly...
In two days, it will be forty years since I saw Tangerine Dream for the first time. It took me a while as they didn't play live for a few years at that time. It remains one of the greatest musical moments I've had - now that was a ritual |
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Post by rockysmalls on Nov 8, 2020 13:58:36 GMT
but to be serious for a moment ( and to mitigate my obvious sarcastic streak ) I appreciate and feel the same about your point on the act of “sitting down to listen to music” .. that seems to be the missing thing nowadays,, peoples listening often via low grade youtube links stumbled upon and briefly skimmed through.. I DO have an appreciation for vinyl.. i have more than 10,000 of the beggars in my collection and sometimes it feels like a millstone around my neck, I loved it in the 90’s when producing records and it was aprox 15% of the market.. you could make money on the cD sales and risk some of that on a vinyl release ,, often breaking even and just as often losing money .. which if course could happen just as easily with Cd.. just not as much money down the pan! the sitting down and consciously spending time listening to music is a fine thing , hell, it was a social thing , spending evenings at friends listening to their purchases and swapping yr own ( for a bit of illegal cassette taping ). it’s an important thing BUT i would say that that could just as easily be a CD you are putting on or a rare cassette the ritual is the same. having been dipping my toes back into production these last few years , i have been suckered after success with CDs by the distributors persuading me into putting a lot of money into a vinyl that they then did little to no promo AND charged me storage to boot , a deficit ensued. [...] You've nailed a massive point for me. The real ritual is the listening and the way I'm affected. That did also used to be more of a social thing as well - that joy of taking an LP around to a gathering and sharing the listening experience was a heady moment. Often fuelled by heady substances, if memory serves correctly...
In two days, it will be forty years since I saw Tangerine Dream for the first time. It took me a while as they didn't play live for a few years at that time. It remains one of the greatest musical moments I've had - not that was a ritual indeedy, many evenings round at ‘John the Head’s’ where listening could vere from a new On-U sound record or 23skidoo via crumbly Hawkwind to Joni Mitchell even! .. CD’s not even in existence to argue the merits of! bring it back ( maximum of 6 persons allowed in yr record listening bubble ) |
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Post by slowscape on Nov 8, 2020 20:27:40 GMT
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Post by tIB on Nov 9, 2020 6:40:01 GMT
Congratulations on the release and thanks to all who put the hours in to make it happen. Look forward to checking it out...
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Post by foxermod on Nov 12, 2020 17:12:51 GMT
A very good compilation!! Congrats to all involved! Really awesome!
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Post by derp on Nov 14, 2020 17:09:39 GMT
I bought this and volume one while debating getting my AE system. Fantastic tracks from beginning to end, and I love the patch notes.
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Post by rodney on Nov 15, 2020 23:32:39 GMT
Hi all,
just wanted to say that I was locked away in another city, solving arcane computer problems for a week and the Aether Waves 2 album was my sanity-sound-track.
(still listening to it now while de-bugging)
Thankyou so much everyone! |
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Post by Gaëtan on Nov 16, 2020 6:39:05 GMT
Hi all,
just wanted to say that I was locked away in another city, solving arcane computer problems for a week and the Aether Waves 2 album was my sanity-sound-track.
(still listening to it now while de-bugging)
Thankyou so much everyone! It's a great programming soundtrack, I love to listen to it while working ! |
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Post by admin on Dec 15, 2020 5:28:22 GMT
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Post by NightMachines on Dec 15, 2020 18:34:43 GMT
Oh wow, that's cool! It has been a while since I sent the info to them. Great that they posted about it |
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Post by spacedog on Jan 10, 2021 12:14:35 GMT
This morning, Chuck Van Zyl played the track by moruial from AEther Waves Vol. 2 on his Star's End programme - and during the first hour as well. A huge well done
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Post by moruial on Jan 10, 2021 16:11:42 GMT
oh my oh my  |
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Post by spacedog on Jan 10, 2021 17:00:05 GMT
And... AEther Waves Vol. 2 appears in Chuck Van Zyl's Significant Releases of 2020 list (in the December section, as that's when he heard about it).
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Post by admin on Jan 12, 2021 3:22:53 GMT
And... AEther Waves Vol. 2 appears in Chuck Van Zyl's Significant Releases of 2020 list (in the December section, as that's when he heard about it).
WELL DONE EVERYONE!!! And thanks to spacedog for bringing our album to Chuck's attention  |
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Post by spacedog on Feb 6, 2021 17:44:23 GMT
Also... in the Star's End Top 20 January 2021
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The coversize alone is worth it to put it on a wall even if you don't have a turntable.
