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Post by beppe on Oct 12, 2020 21:50:27 GMT
Hi guys! I'm trying to connect my Arturia keylab to the aemodular following the 5th Volt video,what am I doing wrong?Thanks!!!
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Post by rodney on Oct 13, 2020 4:39:39 GMT
Some 5pin DIN/MIDI to TRS (mini phono) connectors have their wires around the opposite way to others, since there was no spec in the MIDI standard for TRS MIDI (the MIDI founders imagined we pros would all be using XLR connectors and DIN would be just for home and toy products to save money).
If you are connecting with a mini phono cable, as in my case from a Korg SQ-1, you might need to make a special cable with left and right swapped around. If you have other TRS/MIDI DIN adaptors, maybe you got them mixed up. try swapping them around to see if it works.
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Post by admin on Oct 13, 2020 8:53:18 GMT
Hi guys! I'm trying to connect my Arturia keylab to the aemodular following the 5th Volt video,what am I doing wrong?Thanks!!! There are two things wrong in your photo: - To get the pitch from MIDI you need to get the output of the BUS CV. In your photo you are connected from BUS CTRL which is wrong
- It seems you want to get a stereo signal from the Audio 1 output on the Master module. Please note that this is only a mono output. You would only get sound on one channel.
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Post by beppe on Oct 13, 2020 9:02:58 GMT
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Post by arti on Oct 13, 2020 10:40:31 GMT
ok!this is currently situation...but still doesn't work You need insert another patch cable into Audio 2 input to get the sound on channel 2 Have You tried to switch from ch1 to omni? Do You have sound with bus cable out? You should hear the sound from the osc (constant pitch) - do You hear it? What happens when You input the bus patchcable? Also - what patchcables do You use? Mine look different. Yours seems to have more sturdy/square coating at the ends - not that it maters with Your problem, probably not, but I'm just curious
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Post by beppe on Oct 13, 2020 11:11:11 GMT
Yep,like this I can hear a constant pitch going on but I can control it with my keyboard....I was wondering if the mistake is that I'm powering the keyboard through usb connected directly in the computer.Maybe I have to give the keyboard independent power? I'm using this kind of cables!
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Post by beppe on Oct 13, 2020 11:56:07 GMT
I've changed the power supply, but not even now is working...I don't know is seems quite easy.
I'm going out with the midi out of the keyboard in the midi in of the master module. Connecting audio2 of the master in an output of 2osc module and then cv2 in bus cv of the same module.
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Post by arti on Oct 13, 2020 12:17:37 GMT
I've changed the power supply, but not even now is working...I don't know is seems quite easy. I'm going out with the midi out of the keyboard in the midi in of the master module. Connecting audio2 of the master in an output of 2osc module and then cv2 in bus cv of the same module. hmm Do You have any other keyboard/synth to check it? Maybe some kind of toy-synth? Anything with midi out will do.
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Post by beppe on Oct 13, 2020 12:40:14 GMT
Just tried with an old keyboard, still doesn't work...
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Post by spacedog on Oct 13, 2020 13:04:35 GMT
I think we need a clear statement of what's working, so apologies if this is really basic and you know all of this.
I'll start with some questions around pitch:
Have you connected the BUS CV to control the pitch...? For example, CV1 on a 2OSC/D...? When you press a key on the MIDI keyboard is the MIDI light on the AE Modular blinking...? Have you connected the output of the oscillator to an audio connector on the MASTER Module...? Is the output from the MASTER module going to something that you know plays sound when it receives it...? When you press a key on the MIDI keyboard is there a sound...? Does that sound change pitch as you press different keys on your MIDI keyboard...? Is that sound continuous...?
That's the basic suff, then we come on to making the sound respond to pressing/releasing a key, so:
Have you connected the BUS GATE to an envelope/VCA pair to shape the sound...?
Rather than dive down into the connection of the envelope/VCA, let's see where we are. As I said, apologies if you have done all of this and/or know all of this - it's difficult to fault-find without a logical route.
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Post by beppe on Oct 13, 2020 13:40:19 GMT
first of all, thank you. So: 1.Have you connected the BUS CV to control the pitch...? For example, CV1 on a 2OSC/D...? DONE 2.When you press a key on the MIDI keyboard is the MIDI light on the AE Modular blinking...? NOPE,nothing happens 3.Have you connected the output of the oscillator to an audio connector on the MASTER Module...? DONE 4.Is the output from the MASTER module going to something that you know plays sound when it receives it...? I've connected the audio2 of the master to an output2 in the 2osc module.It makes sound BUT I can't control it by keyboard 5.When you press a key on the MIDI keyboard is there a sound...? NOPE 6.Does that sound change pitch as you press different keys on your MIDI keyboard...? 7.Is that sound continuous...? It's something serious doctor?
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Post by spacedog on Oct 13, 2020 13:56:33 GMT
first of all, thank you. So: 1.Have you connected the BUS CV to control the pitch...? For example, CV1 on a 2OSC/D...? DONE 2.When you press a key on the MIDI keyboard is the MIDI light on the AE Modular blinking...? NOPE,nothing happens 3.Have you connected the output of the oscillator to an audio connector on the MASTER Module...? DONE 4.Is the output from the MASTER module going to something that you know plays sound when it receives it...? I've connected the audio2 of the master to an output2 in the 2osc module.It makes sound BUT I can't control it by keyboard 5.When you press a key on the MIDI keyboard is there a sound...? NOPE 6.Does that sound change pitch as you press different keys on your MIDI keyboard...? 7.Is that sound continuous...? It's something serious doctor? From what I just read, it looks like you're not getting MIDI into the AE Modular. Yes, you will hear a continuous drone from the oscillator by connecting it to the audio output. You mention a KeyLab, which has a 5-pin DIN MIDI output, so it's hard to go wrong there. If you plug the other end of the 5-pin DIN lead into the AE MIDI adaptor, that should just work. No need to worry about whether Arturia or Tangible Waves is Type A or Type B (there is a long discusison on this elsewhere, btw). If your KeyStep lights up, there's enough power and they're quite happy runing off USB bus power in my expeience. Have you check what MIDI channel the KeyStep is transmitting on...? I accidently changed mine and didn't notice, which made me scratch my head for a while. Is the AE Modular on a specific channel, if so match them (it's on the MASTER) - or just use Omni. If you have a known MIDI transmit channel, through a working 5-pin DIN MIDI lead, to the AE Mdoular adaptor, into the MIDI in and it still doesn't make the MIDI light blink then it could be the adaptor, they are quite flimsy, so try pressing it in a little further/harder. Mine slips around a lot and I have to grip it tghtly to get the MIDI lead to go in properly. Try that Once we have a blinking MIDI light, things shoud be simple.
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Post by beppe on Oct 13, 2020 14:02:18 GMT
Wait.could be de adapter the problem?I don't have the original adapter. I'm using a cable that has 5 pin on a side ad minijack on the other!
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Post by arti on Oct 13, 2020 14:09:35 GMT
Wait.could be de adapter the problem?I don't have the original adapter. I'm using a cable that has 5 pin on a side ad minijack on the other! If there is no blinkin on Master Module with omni switch on either with Keylab and with the old keyboard as well, than the midi adapter seems to be the suspect
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Post by beppe on Oct 13, 2020 14:20:59 GMT
It's starting making sense....thank you guys, I'll let you know how its ended!
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Post by Lugia on Oct 13, 2020 19:33:14 GMT
I concur...the MIDI adapter is probably at fault.
It's worth remembering that there are a number of odd issues surrounding MIDI 1.x...which, shockingly, we are STILL ON. One of these has to do with how the extra two pins are used. In the majority of cases, these are left "dead" with no connection. But there WERE some early MIDI devices that had DC on the 2 and 4 pins, and connecting one of these with a cable that didn't have 2 and 4 disconnected to something that doesn't want to see that DC there...well, it could get "interesting", up to and including popping the optoisolator in the objecting piece of gear. And at this point, with various manufacturers NOT bound by the MIDI "compact" where conversion to 3.5mm multiconductor is concerned, you see things like this. So it's not an AE thing...it's more a bunch of major manufacturers trying to sneak incompatibilities (with the purpose of locking in users) back into synths long after the MIDI Association's work was supposed to have put a stop to that sort of thing, and some accessory manufacturers playing into this and kicking out some confusing crap (like that adapter!).
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Post by admin on Oct 14, 2020 7:56:39 GMT
Wait.could be de adapter the problem?I don't have the original adapter. I'm using a cable that has 5 pin on a side ad minijack on the other! Unfortunately there are different types of these adapters, the most used are Type A and Type B. AE Modular uses Type B.Here's some info on this sorry state of affairs: minimidi.world/#types
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Post by spacedog on Oct 14, 2020 8:44:33 GMT
Wait.could be de adapter the problem?I don't have the original adapter. I'm using a cable that has 5 pin on a side ad minijack on the other! Unfortunately there are different types of these adapters, the most used are Type A and Type B. AE Modular uses Type B.Here's some info on this sorry state of affairs: minimidi.world/#typesSadly, it's even worse than that. you can also buy 5-pin DIN to stereo (TRS) 3.5mm, for use with audio. These are wired up very differently, not least because there is an extra connection to play with at the 3.5mm end. There has been a lot of discussion here in various threads, the bottom line is that the AE Modular uses a TRS MIDI Type B configuration. This article is helpful and lists what configuration is/was used by the named manufacturers. The easiest way to avoid pain, wasted time, and maybe even damaged equipment, is to use a standard 5-pin DIN to 5-pin DIN lead and connect the adaptor that comes with the equipment at that end. That might mean the crazy situation of a 5-pin DIN lead with the same adaptor at each end, but at least you know it works and you can look up specifications at a later point and just get on with the music. If the equipment has a standard 5-pin DIN MIDI input or output, well you're laughing
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Post by dizzeesatchel on Oct 14, 2020 11:58:02 GMT
Wow i had no idea this was so needlessly complicated So both AE and my Korg SQ-1 came with minijack adapters, AE is type B and the Korg one it seems is type A?? I'm not even sure I remember which one is which anymore.....
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Post by admin on Oct 14, 2020 12:19:15 GMT
Wow i had no idea this was so needlessly complicated So both AE and my Korg SQ-1 came with minijack adapters, AE is type B and the Korg one it seems is type A?? I'm not even sure I remember which one is which anymore..... Yeah now there's a standard for MIDI/TRS which is Type A ... but it came too late the market had already fragmented.
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Post by dizzeesatchel on Oct 14, 2020 12:25:25 GMT
at least the two i have are different lengths... the image suggests the Korg one is quite short so presumably the longer one i have came with AE. I will label them up I guess.
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Post by blackhairrolledindriedblood on Oct 14, 2020 19:09:54 GMT
Sorry, just skimming this post while trying to make the kids dinner, so apologies if i have missed something. With regard to getting the Arturia Keystep to 'talk' to my AEM, I racked my brain for ages. Having put the original AE adaptor in a 'safe place', I was using a Make Noise adaptor which is type A, then a Korg Volca Adaptor, also type A - nothing (I found this information out afterwards btw). As a result, I bought a Type B adaptor off of ebay - problem solved. So yes, for me, it did make a difference. Now I'm a very happy dark noise maker. minimidi.world/'Many MIDI instruments, effects, and modules now support MIDI over smaller “minijack” connectors, but their implementations vary: Type A (now the MIDI 2.0 standard) e.g.: Korg, Make Noise Type B e.g.: Arturia, Novation TS sometimes called Type C or Non-TRS e.g.: Expert Sleepers, Beatstep (Original), MFB'
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Post by rodney on Oct 21, 2020 11:03:27 GMT
at least the two i have are different lengths... the image suggests the Korg one is quite short so presumably the longer one i have came with AE. I will label them up I guess. I'm almost positive that the Korg wiring is opposite to the Ae Modular, so the MIDI Source and Sink connection will be reversed. not good. for SQ-1 to AE modular Master module, take a stereo mini phono to mini phono stereo cable, cut it open and reverse the two wires to make a cross cable. Make sure you mark it really clearly.
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Post by spacedog on Oct 21, 2020 12:32:40 GMT
at least the two i have are different lengths... the image suggests the Korg one is quite short so presumably the longer one i have came with AE. I will label them up I guess. I'm almost positive that the Korg wiring is opposite to the Ae Modular, so the MIDI Source and Sink connection will be reversed. not good. for SQ-1 to AE modular Master module, take a stereo mini phono to mini phono stereo cable, cut it open and reverse the two wires to make a cross cable. Make sure you mark it really clearly. AE Modular uses TRS MIDI Type B, Korg uses TRS MIDI Type A. Yes, all you need to do is swap the tip and the ring connections at one end. Mark it up clearly as a special lead - it doesn't matter whch end goes in which piece of equipment as they just swap two connections.
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Post by dizzeesatchel on Oct 21, 2020 16:04:54 GMT
Wait, i'm more confused now. Both SQ-1 and AE came with a minijack-MIDI adapter. Are we saying the following wouldn't work properly? SQ-1 > Korg adapter > standard 5-pin MIDI cable > AE adapter > Master module So one adapter is type A and one type B, but i'd thought having the midi cable in between them would straighten all that out as long as the correct adapter is connected to it's corresponding equipment? Or are we talking about sending MIDI entirely over a 3.5mm cable (is that even a thing?? I've never encountered it) Maybe i'll go back to CV...
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