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Post by lukylutte on Feb 22, 2020 9:59:21 GMT
Hello, I'm opening a thread even so I asked it somewhere else. I think it's easier that way to found if someone else gets the same problem. My Master module isn't responding to my master midi clock. It does work with a midi keyboard (omni, channel 1 and the rest) without any problem but not with my clock. I use the SMARTClock Gen3. It's my master clock for my setup and cannot use the AE system if it doesn't respond to it... It works with the Pocket operator and everything else I could try. I'm using this smartclock for years and never had an issue with it (used: with delay, looper pedal, synths drum machines or groove boxes)... When reading the wiki or the module page it's always say plus and play but nothing to check or consider if not working... I tried using channel 1 on both the clock and the system, Off with omni or whatever in between setup I could think of. I tried different cables, power supply for the clock.... I'm out of idea. Any info or idea would be great! I really don't want to have to take a pocket operator just to be able to sync the system to midi clock... And I'm playing ofthen with other "live" musician (drummer) and a tap tempo is mandatory with those groove makers
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Post by admin on Feb 22, 2020 11:02:17 GMT
Hi lukylutte, sorry I couldn't respond sooner. I'm not sure how you tried to read the MIDI clock. It gets transported via the "BUS CLK" output which is only available on a few modules, eg. Beat Divider, Triq164 and Seq16. You also need to consider that the signal from MIDI clock is 24ppqn (pulses per quarter note) and is way too fast for most applications so it's best to pass it through the Beat Divider first which can take it down to musical relevant levels between 1/2 to 1/32. I hinted at this in my video about Seq16 (starting at 11:35), I hope this helps:
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Post by lukylutte on Feb 22, 2020 11:46:39 GMT
I tried the beat divider and the triq164. Buss click into click. No click light on the master and nothing happens on both modules.
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Post by lukylutte on Feb 22, 2020 15:50:23 GMT
I found a work around by using a Touchprone Sync adapter which isn't available anywhere anymore. Its working fine but still would be nice to get the midi clock straight into it.
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Post by NightMachines on Feb 22, 2020 20:09:36 GMT
It’s strange that a MIDI keyboard works, but clock does not. Have you tried a different MIDI clock source? Or did the MIDI keyboard send clock as well and this worked?
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Post by lukylutte on Feb 23, 2020 9:19:03 GMT
The keyboard was a Korg sp-200. I only check if the oscillator pitch is changing. It did works right away. It doesn’t have a midi clock in it and I don’t have other midi clock at home. I’ll try some friends one at the next jam. I did a factory reset on the midi clock and is still working perfectly with everything else and when adding the midi to analog clock converter (as on the work around video where I’m able to control the Ae system) but still no clock inside the system through the midi input.
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Post by admin on Feb 24, 2020 23:29:38 GMT
Hi lukylutte, I'm sorry that we can't help you at this stage. MIDI is not always straight forward to implement and there is no guarantee that every device will work. I have tested all my MIDI devices that send clock and they all worked with pitch, gate and clock: Arturia Keystep, Beatstep Pro, Korg Electribe 2, Synthstrom Deluge, Korg SQ-1. It would be really good if you could find someone who has one of the above to try if the clock works with those. If not, then the Master is faulty and you can report this to Robert.
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Post by lukylutte on Feb 29, 2020 17:59:32 GMT
Midi is definitely weird. I tried yesterday after a factory rest of the clock and it wasn’t working. Today I tried with the tr8 of a friend and it worked right away. After I tried with mine and it’s working now just fine! Have no clue what I have done differently but all good! Thanks for your input and sorry 😐
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Post by admin on Feb 29, 2020 22:16:45 GMT
I'm glad that it works now. Thanks for your persistence!
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Post by Lakef on Mar 2, 2020 22:31:06 GMT
Even tho the Problem seems to be solved, I want to contribute some observations I‘ve made while feeding midi into the AE from different apps. When I use sequencism to midi control the AE, the AE sometimes wont recieve the the midi data even tho its send in form of a sequence (i can see that data is send because there are red leds on the iRig midi 1 which indicate it). BUT if I send ONLY a gate signal via the same midi route from the same app with the build in keypad and THEN start the sequence ,it will run like a charm. gate and clock.But sometimes the app also needs a restart. Im really no expert at this... but for me it seems like in some rare cases the „gate has to be opend“ first, before the clock will be let in too XD Or maybe it has something to do with the note range of the AE? (Is there also a clock speed limit?) Maybe sometimes if some midi is send into the AE that is not in its range it wont accept anymore data from this source until you reconnect it and set it to the right range? Hope this doesn‘t sound to stupid or confusing I personally think MiDi is short for Mystical-Irritating-Device-Interactions
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Post by lukylutte on Mar 3, 2020 18:54:05 GMT
When I use sequencism to midi control the AE, the AE sometimes wont recieve the the midi data even tho its send in form of a sequence (i can see that data is send because there are red leds on the iRig midi 1 which indicate it). BUT if I send ONLY a gate signal via the same midi route from the same app with the build in keypad and THEN start the sequence ,it will run like a charm. gate and clock.But sometimes the app also needs a restart. Unfortunately it's not solved! Now, I'm back home and it's again not working. But I think you got a really good point. If I remember right the master module start to react to the clock after my friend push play on the tr8 and not before. After, I plug my clock right away without rebooting anything and my clock & system worked perfectly. Now it seems (at least I suspect) that it need a push to start or play to get it going? Does this make sens? Would it be possible to somehow update or change its behavior? If not any idea of midi clock which work with tap tempo and start (if it's that the problem) but all in a minimum size box (like now just a pedal format). As I don't need any sequencing or whatever else.
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Post by lukylutte on Mar 4, 2020 8:56:10 GMT
I wonder if something like One trick Pony Start/Stop would work? But it's kinda expensive if it's only used to start the Ae system to react to the midi clock... Kinda thinking to change my guitar rig for an Zoia but not sure I can send start message with it (I guess I could as it has sequencer and whatever in it)... Guess I need to ask for support to see if supposed to wait for a start message or if it's an other issue.
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Post by Lakef on Mar 5, 2020 21:28:43 GMT
I wonder if something like One trick Pony Start/Stop would work? But it's kinda expensive if it's only used to start the Ae system to react to the midi clock... Kinda thinking to change my guitar rig for an Zoia but not sure I can send start message with it (I guess I could as it has sequencer and whatever in it)... Guess I need to ask for support to see if supposed to wait for a start message or if it's an other issue. Hmm. I think I can‘t really make any suggestions on hardware solutions for this. Just because I‘m still a beginner in terms of Midi stuff and I dont really know about your exact workflow and preferences. Read some things about the Zoia, but isnt it mainly an effect processor? But what about getting a cheap used iphone and use a app?
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Post by spacedog on Mar 5, 2020 22:22:57 GMT
The Axoloti may be able to fix you up, and it's cheap. I am no expert on it, although I've done a few things that weren't that difficult, and that worked. It can process MIDI and even has 5-pin DIN in and out, as well as USB that accepts class compliant MIDI devices. I use a small Akai keyboard with mine, for example. Go here for more details and then look through the forum, someone may have created what you need already. www.axoloti.com/There are a couple of members here who know a lot more than me about this little chap. They're cool devices anyway and everyone should have one in their toolkit at the price.
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Post by lukylutte on Mar 6, 2020 6:01:44 GMT
Thanks, for your input. I haven't think of using an app and didn't know about this Axoloti. I'll look into it and see. I'll have an other jam this evening let see how I can sync it this time...
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Post by admin on Mar 6, 2020 7:52:38 GMT
What you wrote above now makes sense to me. I can confirm that using KeyStep, Deluge and Electribe the MIDI clock only gets sent to the Master module when I press Start on those devices! So it may actually well be that Master needs a MIDI start message before registering clock events.
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Post by morgs on Dec 5, 2020 13:00:37 GMT
What you wrote above now makes sense to me. I can confirm that using KeyStep, Deluge and Electribe the MIDI clock only gets sent to the Master module when I press Start on those devices! So it may actually well be that Master needs a MIDI start message before registering clock events. A little late to this thread but am following up on the initial post from lukylutte I've had my AE starter rack/Master module since July 2019 but haven't done anything with midi to date. Have a few observations and questions regarding the use of midi. I've recently acquired an Elektron Digit and a BSP (!!). In the case that I'm using the BSP pro as my master clock I have the midi out from the BSP going into the midi in of the AE Master, set to omni mode. In the midi configuration software of Arturia I have the clock out rate at 25 ppq. The two sequencers are set to channel 1 and 2. On the Master gate is showing as responsive and if I use the bus clock out of the Beat Divider everything is kept in sync, awesome! However, if I use the bus clk out of the Triq164 without first going through the Beat Divider then everything goes ridiculously fast. I've tried also configuring the clock out rate to 1 pulse per step but this is also very fast and a bit erratic with the tempo. Question: Is there any suggestion for how to use the bus clock on some of the modules without first going through the Beat Divider? I haven't experimented with using B.Start and B. Stop as I don't really understand how they are used. Any suggestions appreciated. Related to midi but not clock. Again, using the BSP with midi I can use the bus CV and bus Gate just fine but my conundrum is how to take advantage of Omni mode but still have control over what I'm doing in the AE. What I mean is that if keep the AE to channel one then it's easy to control my Bus CV and Gate b/c it's only being used by SEQ1 of the BSP. If I want to take advantage of both the sequencers on the BSP I switch to omni but then my bus CV/gate seems to receive information from all channels (including the Drums on Channel 10) which makes it impossible to control the pitch of a VCO in a nice way. *On a side note, I should add that all works fine if I use the CV/Gate outputs from the back of the BSP patched into 4/IO and then routed appropriately. This is what I've been doing but thought it's high time I try and learn about midi.* Question: How are others using the Omni mode with their Bus CV and Gate without confusing their system? Last observation is regarding the ability for the AE Bus clock to work when daisy chaining the Midi. In this case I have the Elektron as my master clock and the midi out of the Elektron is going into the midi in of the BSP. Midi out of the BSP going into midi in of the AE modular. In this scenario I've changed none of the configurations of my BSP (with the exception of clock set to midi receive). BSP receives the clock info from the Elektron just fine but I can no longer use the bus clock of the Beat Divider or any for that matter, as in it just doesn't respond to the info. I've tried in both Channel 1 and Omni mode but no luck. Question: Any suggestions for using Bus clock when you are creating a midi chain? Thank you!
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Post by leethargo on Jan 5, 2024 20:57:49 GMT
I found this old thread while looking for information on how to use the MIDI clock output from Korg's SQ-1 with AEM's MASTER module.
I got the SQ-1 recently and first used the CV/Gate outs with 4I/O without problem. Then I also wanted to try the MIDI path and found that when I start the sequence on the SQ-1, the "GATE" LED lights up on the MASTER, but not the "CLK". At first, I thought that maybe SQ-1 doesn't send MIDI clock on this output (since there is also the Sync I/O jacks), but then a post in this thread mentions testing MIDI clock with SQ-1 successfully, so I thought I'd try again.
Now, when I use my MIDICLOCK DIVIDER and patch the BUS CLK into the CLK input, the LEDs are flashing correctly. I also tested the BUS START, which works as advertised (what a relief!). But still, shouldn't the "CLK" LED also light up on the MASTER module?
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