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Post by georgemuralkh on Dec 8, 2023 11:07:19 GMT
I was selling my starter rack 2 for a bout 2 months but nobody seems to interested in it 😅 So I came up with idea to give it a second chance. Basically what is deal breaker for me is lack of quantizer (it's a EXTREMELY bad idea not to include it in starter rack) and normal midi routing (I understand that from one side using midi bus from master module could be a good idea, but in case trying to use rack as multitimbral synth with external sequencer - it's really uncomfortable). So to make it minimally usable for me I need to buy quantizer and midi set from wonkystuff. And with wonkystuff I'm ok since I see what modules are in stock but with tangible waves I not sure since I saw that it could be 12 week wait (and no information how long to wait specific modules). Where I can check how long to wait for specific TW modules (if it's 12 weeks wait I would better sell it for 1/2 price and finance something else 😅)?
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Post by keurslagerkurt on Dec 9, 2023 15:39:51 GMT
For me personally, the Starter Rack II was pretty much perfect. The reason i wanted to try modular was kinda to get 'weird'. I wanted the unquantized nature. But i def think that the quantizer is a fantastic and essential module, I just don't know which of the starter modules i would swap out for it?
On the multi-timbral side: that does not seem like a basic functionality to me? There have been hints at a revised master module that would split the incoming Midi channels on the 'patch baby, so i guess that will be part of the starter rack at some point 😄
If you're in EU, you can check out soundofyou.eu, they have AE modules in stock and their delivery is lightning fast. UK has Juno and USA has Noisebug i believe? Might be worth checking these out for shorter wait times!
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Post by pt3r on Dec 9, 2023 16:09:33 GMT
Don't trust the prices quoted on their webpage though; a samplyr of 36 Euros is bullshit.
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Post by keurslagerkurt on Dec 9, 2023 16:12:39 GMT
Don't trust the prices quoted on their webpage though; a samplyr of 36 Euros is bullshit.
That must be a typo. 🤔 I've ordered three times from them now. Quick delivery and prices as advertised'. Edit: wanted to add though that I have only ordered stuff they had in stock so far. Doesn't make much sense to me to order 'on request' with them, as i suppose that would be the same as just ordering directly from TW |
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Post by julientaq on Dec 9, 2023 16:45:39 GMT
I got my compact mixer from them. All fine, not real trouble there. the only thing that got problematic is that the send/return fx are a swapped: 1 is 2  i asume that the samplyr price here is a mistake more than anything. |
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Post by julientaq on Dec 9, 2023 21:00:31 GMT
If youre looking for a quantizer, you can have a look at the aeuropi too if you wanna wait a little bit.
Also the website sais that if the simpler the order is, the quicker it’s shipped, so maybe you wont wait too much.
Also bis, i agree, the quantizer makes it much more enjoyable.
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Post by cpruby on Dec 11, 2023 6:10:44 GMT
I was selling my starter rack 2 for a bout 2 months but nobody seems to interested in it 😅 So I came up with idea to give it a second chance. Basically what is deal breaker for me is lack of quantizer (it's a EXTREMELY bad idea not to include it in starter rack) and normal midi routing (I understand that from one side using midi bus from master module could be a good idea, but in case trying to use rack as multitimbral synth with external sequencer - it's really uncomfortable). So to make it minimally usable for me I need to buy quantizer and midi set from wonkystuff. And with wonkystuff I'm ok since I see what modules are in stock but with tangible waves I not sure since I saw that it could be 12 week wait (and no information how long to wait specific modules). Where I can check how long to wait for specific TW modules (if it's 12 weeks wait I would better sell it for 1/2 price and finance something else 😅)? The Wonkystuff midi modules do not require a quantizer. Those modules have a digital (midi) input and then output an analog output. If you want a multitimbral setup, the Wonkystuff route is the path of least resistance. The starter rack 2 is an introduction to modular synthesis. Within the limits of the system, you can do quite a bit with it and it requires you to think on its own terms. I admit that this can be frustrating if you have your own workflow already in place. And one of those terms is tuning anything that can oscillate. |
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Post by georgemuralkh on Dec 12, 2023 1:12:25 GMT
Don't trust the prices quoted on their webpage though; a samplyr of 36 Euros is bullshit.
I ordered it for fun to see what happen 😅 Decided to give a second change. Also ordered Cirrus from TW. |
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Post by pt3r on Dec 12, 2023 7:55:07 GMT
Don't trust the prices quoted on their webpage though; a samplyr of 36 Euros is bullshit.
I ordered it for fun to see what happen 😅 Decided to give a second change. Also ordered Cirrus from TW. Technically speaking they should send it to you for the advertised price. Good luck. |
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Post by funbun on Dec 12, 2023 14:12:18 GMT
Yeah, we all had to wait on the quantizer for a year or two until Robert finished development. When I bought the Starter II, I bought it to learn synthesis, then expand from there. In other words, I had no preexisting work flow. Modular synthesis is something to learn over time. It's nice to learn slowly. Buy only the modules you need as they either become available or learn work-arounds. I remember it taking a whole week just to get a single sequence going, never mind it always going out of tune. We didn't even have the METER calibration module to keep the oscillators in check, lol! Had I had everything I have now I probably would not have the complex sequences you hear in my music.
It's an instrument to build over time, therefore it is impossible for Robert to include everything you "need" in a starter kit because you likely don't know what you need until you've learned how synthesis works. It's meant to be a long, slow process.
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Post by pt3r on Dec 12, 2023 15:24:36 GMT
Yeah, we all had to wait on the quantizer for a year or two until Robert finished development. When I bought the Starter II, I bought it to learn synthesis, then expand from there. In other words, I had no preexisting work flow. Modular synthesis is something to learn over time. It's nice to learn slowly. Buy only the modules you need as they either become available or learn work-arounds. I remember it taking a whole week just to get a single sequence going, never mind it always going out of tune. We didn't even have the METER calibration module to keep the oscillators in check, lol! Had I had everything I have now I probably would not have the complex sequences you hear in my music. It's an instrument to build over time, therefore it is impossible for Robert to include everything you "need" in a starter kit because you likely don't know what you need until you've learned how synthesis works. It's meant to be a long, slow process. This. The starter rack is IMHO a good collection of bread and butter modules that allow you to do a whole lot without resorting to very specific purpose modules. Everything to get a proper taste of subtractive synthesis is included. As you learn you will see what is missing to evolve your workflow. I'm pretty sure there are no two identical modular configurations amongst the AE users, everyone will eventually procure modules that fit their workflow and need. This said, starterrack was a must for me to understand modular and to learn and discover my own voice and workflow and I never regretted to not have bought a different configuration to start with. I think I bought an FX module and Grains from the beginning because I had this idea that those two module would help me in creating even more weird sounds, and I was not wrong.  |
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Post by admin on Dec 12, 2023 19:50:17 GMT
I yearned for the quantizer when I first got my starter system, alas it didn't exist until almost 2 years later. That way I learners to make do without it. When I finally got the Q I used it a lot. But nowadays not so much... I just tune my sequences by ear and hope for the best. It feels more organic that way.
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Post by pt3r on Dec 13, 2023 7:40:21 GMT
If you want to write multiple sequences with the sequencer modules that interact with each other then the quantizer will make your life much easier, it's one thing to tune your oscillators to a given toot note but it's a whole different problem when you need to tune notes with those tiny knobs of a seq8 or seq16 sequencer. This said a meter module was for my purposes more useful as a first module purchase than the quantizer.
Now if you're only interested in blooping, bleeping, droning, and making weird fart noises then quantizer are completely useless.
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