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Post by pol on Nov 19, 2021 20:41:00 GMT
One thing that has started to happen in the Wiki is suggesting other modules to use with the one whose page you are on. This is a natural progression from patch suggestions and, indeed, vital in a way. You can't patch one module... Attenuator modules (4ATTMIX, 2CVTOOL etc) come up a lot obviously but, since I got my joystick module, that one has started appearing more as well. I was re-reading the ADSR module page, wiki.aemodular.com/pmwiki.php/AeManual/ADSR and it mentions S&H, LFO, attenuators and Joystick. This got me wondering what other modules would do fun/useful things with the ADSR, which then led me on to thinking what great module combinations need the word spreading! There have been several great additions to patch suggestions in recent weeks from threads which about about how certain modules are working together (e.g. 2 sequencers and a Switchmatrix4x4) - wiki.aemodular.com/pmwiki.php/AeManual/SWITCHMATRIX4x4Please can you post here ANY module combination you particularly like/often patch, or an interesting way of creating a musical effect (e.g. portamento), Some detail needed but I will ask if unclear! I will start off with something I do a lot, a slow rate, not sync'ed LFO on the Nyle Filter resonance (other filters can have resonance varied too, if you look at their patch suggestions thanks to the Tuesday Night Machines!). If I go really mad I use 2, one on the cutoff and one on the resonance neither of which are sync'ed to the tempo/sound.... This thread was going to be a eulogy for the ADSR module but instead I hope to be bombarded,  |
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Post by funbun on Nov 19, 2021 23:11:49 GMT
Unless it's a Serge! Serge FTW! Serge 4eva!
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Post by pt3r on Nov 20, 2021 9:23:59 GMT
Here is my advice on combining modules in a purposeful way.
I first look at the outcome I need and then look how the end result can be broken down in sub targets that are doable within my setup.
Her is my train of thought that led me to the 2xSEQ8 = SEQ16 patch
I need a 16 step sequence but I (only) have 2 SEQ8s so I need to combine these 2 sequences in a consecutive way. I basically need to switch between 2 sequencers on the end of each 8 step sequence.
The switching I can do be via my SWITCHMATRIX 4x4 (the name is the solution  ) Now it's just a matter of figuring out how to signal to the SWITCH matrix that a sequencer has reached its final step and that the next clock pulse needs to be redirected to the other sequencer. The end of a sequence is easily recognized thanks to the individual step trigger outputs (which is genius design IMHO)
Since you cannot trigger individual switches via cv on the SWITCHMATRIX 4X4 but only settings the solution becomes pretty obvious; make two presets with the required routing for both sequencers and the EOS (end of sequence) trigger of each sequencer triggers the opposite preset.
I thinks there a lots of interesting possibilities to do MATHs like patchin with the existing modules available. I think one could patch a (not so) crude 'envelope follower' using the SLEW module an a couple of VCAs and/or ENVelopes. Not sure yet, but hey it's a challenge.
Which brings me to the following point.
I miss the real patch challenges because those push the creativity of the modular users and ideas get shared. Or you all have figured out a lot of super nifty patching tricks and you keep your cards close to your chest which is also a valid way of thinking but in the end you will fully depend on yourself to come up with interesting patches because nobody else shares ideas anymore.
Remember when we figured out how to patch KARPLUS strong synthesis on a starter rack with a MULTI-FX by simply throwing ideas around in a discussion?
I think it was keurslagerkurt who pointed me into the direction of the 2delay setting in MULTI-FX, anyhow if nobody contributed to that thread then there would be no KARPLUS strong synthesis unless we waited for namke to build us a module or a firmware to do so, which he generously did.
TLDR; we can all contribute and learn along the way, if nobody contributes then the well will eventually run dry and this will not benefit this community.
My 2 eurocents.
Sorry for the rambling, it's probably the change of seasons and lack of daylight that's playing a number on my mental state.
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Post by keurslagerkurt on Nov 20, 2021 9:49:08 GMT
I agree with you pt3r, i usually only write out my patches under my ytb videos or in the track post i make on the forum. But it's probably better to make dedicated patch notes on here. Like i have a go-to kick patch with the FMOS, which might be worth sharing just as a seperate post here, or on the Wiki? On my phone right now, but i'll try to Remember to post this later. I'll add a favorite of mine here: the 2VCO together with the logic module! Patch in square/pulse Waves into the logic module and listen to the XOR out for incredibly rich and morphing Waves. Tuning the squares and changing PWM generates an Endless amount of timbres. The first XOR out can be recombined with one of the square Waves in the other logic input for another XOR out. And also the 2LFO + Five Steps, or the 2ENV + Five Steps gives you a highly adjustable arpeggio. LFO's or env can be synced to a Clock if some consistency is needed. 😃 |
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Post by pol on Nov 20, 2021 10:49:11 GMT
I agree with you pt3r , i usually only write out my patches under my ytb videos or in the track post i make on the forum. But it's probably better to make dedicated patch notes on here. Like i have a go-to kick patch with the FMOS, which might be worth sharing just as a seperate post here, or on the Wiki? On my phone right now, but i'll try to Remember to post this later. I'll add a favorite of mine here: the 2VCO together with the logic module! Patch in square/pulse Waves into the logic module and listen to the XOR out for incredibly rich and morphing Waves. Tuning the squares and changing PWM generates an Endless amount of timbres. The first XOR out can be recombined with one of the square Waves in the other logic input for another XOR out. And also the 2LFO + Five Steps, or the 2ENV + Five Steps gives you a highly adjustable arpeggio. LFO's or env can be synced to a Clock if some consistency is needed. 😃 This was sort of on the patch suggestions but not in an interesting way! Have updated the page, thank you. Please do let us know about the kick drum patch too.... |
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Post by pol on Nov 20, 2021 10:52:49 GMT
The end of a sequence is easily recognized thanks to the individual step trigger outputs (which is genius design IMHO)
There's quite a few of these things in the AE, some of it a side effect of being a "simple" system (.e.g. you can mix audio signals using the outs on a module!). One of the signs Robert is a musician as well as a circuit designer.... |
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Post by pol on Nov 20, 2021 11:00:08 GMT
I miss the real patch challenges because those push the creativity of the modular users and ideas get shared. Or you all have figured out a lot of super nifty patching tricks and you keep your cards close to your chest which is also a valid way of thinking but in the end you will fully depend on yourself to come up with interesting patches because nobody else shares ideas anymore.
I agree. I have actually started again at number 1, did No. 2 a few weeks ago and have been mulling over No. 3; I have actually decided what I am going to do for it now, but just need to spend some time in the studio. Doing videos for each one which is another test... Youtube videos people release is another way of picking up ideas, I just watched one by Tuesday Night Machines about bass patches on the AE. I can do synth bass in my sleep so nearly didn't watch it but glad I did as he had a good recommendation for the Wavefolder module.... |
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Post by pol on Nov 20, 2021 11:01:43 GMT
Unless it's a Serge! Serge FTW! Serge 4eva! I thought someone might mention the Sawvox module.... |
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Post by pt3r on Nov 20, 2021 12:59:52 GMT
Kickdrums: make the MS20 self resonate and dial in a low frequency sine wave, send the output into the LOPAG and gate it with a short ENVelope and you have a thumpin' kick drum. The FMOS can de the same thins since it can also produce that needed sine wave.
You can of course also use a normal VCA instead of the LOPAG.
If your kick needs to cut through the mix then you mix all the voices except the kick through a VCA which receives the inverted envelope that triggers the kick drum.
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Post by pt3r on Nov 20, 2021 13:02:34 GMT
Unless it's a Serge! Serge FTW! Serge 4eva! I thought someone might mention the Sawvox module.... A looping ENVelope with one CV modulating both attack and decay give you a very capable triangle oscillator. |
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Post by keurslagerkurt on Nov 20, 2021 13:23:40 GMT
Kickdrums: make the MS20 self resonate and dial in a low frequency sine wave, send the output into the LOPAG and gate it with a short ENVelope and you have a thumpin' kick drum. The FMOS can de the same thins since it can also produce that needed sine wave. and a VCA + envelop can also
You can of course also use a normal VCA instead of the LOPAG.
If your kick needs to cut through the mix then you mix all the voices except the kick through a VCA which receives the inverted envelope that triggers the kick drum.
Great kick tip. Bonus to make extra thump: Connect a (very) short envelope to the ms20 CV input. Attenuate with the cv knob of the ms20. Gives that extra starting 'thump', actually faking the sound of the kickdrum pedal hitting the drum. |
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Post by pt3r on Nov 20, 2021 15:35:54 GMT
Very nice bonus.
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Post by pol on Nov 20, 2021 19:44:55 GMT
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Post by pol on Nov 20, 2021 19:54:20 GMT
I thought someone might mention the Sawvox module.... A looping ENVelope with one CV modulating both attack and decay give you a very capable triangle oscillator. You posting this made me check the ADSR wiki page and it wasn't on there, only the link to the 2ENV module which did mention this "trick". I have now put it on the ADSR module page as suits this module really well. It can do more than triangles... Using the ADSR module you can CV control the attack/decay (and sustain if wanting a squarer wave); great fun! |
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Post by pol on Dec 1, 2021 9:00:25 GMT
A module combination I really like/use a lot is the ADSR and 4 VCA, I'm intending to get another ADSR due to the CV control of the various parameters. I use the 4 VCA for most audio mixing now, even if "just" as an oscillator sub mixer before the filter, then the ADSR gives me dynamic changes of the mix with CVs from the Joystick, Env or LFO but, most importantly for me, Midi CC20/pitch. I am determined that I will produce a finished piece of music doing this!
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