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Post by Kyaa on Jun 2, 2023 16:14:54 GMT
Hello!
I've been working on a little kit that will fix the power deficiencies of the original V1.0 version of Euclid Grid.
The kit will be a separate board that will need to be soldered to the original board. There are roughly 4 solder points.
I'll be offering these at cost (~$1) minus shipping ($3 - $15 depending on how far you are).
I'm currently trying to figure out how many of these I should make. I guess I should probably just make one for each V1.0 I made... 😅
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Post by dizzeesatchel on Jun 2, 2023 17:32:19 GMT
Oh nice! the power thing hasn't caused me any particular woes so far, but I would certainly purchase the kit board just to know i have it in prime condition  |
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Post by tIB on Jun 2, 2023 18:38:28 GMT
Yes please!
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Post by rockysmalls on Jun 2, 2023 23:18:23 GMT
count me in.
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Post by maydonpoliris on Jun 3, 2023 10:11:17 GMT
Me too please, thank you!
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Post by keurslagerkurt on Jun 4, 2023 12:18:53 GMT
I apt missed the problem thread, i have not yet experienced problems with my Grid. Would you recommend getting the kit anyway? Kyaa |
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Post by Kyaa on Jun 4, 2023 17:44:31 GMT
I apt missed the problem thread, i have not yet experienced problems with my Grid. Would you recommend getting the kit anyway? Kyaa The issue that this will fix are weak outputs. When you do run into the issue it's solvable by buffering the output with other modules. If you haven't run into issues, there would be no imminent need to apply the fix, but maybe it can offer some peace of mind? It doesn't change the functionality of the module at the end of the day, so I'd say it's a personal preference thing. |
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Post by pol on Jun 5, 2023 20:59:29 GMT
I apt missed the problem thread, i have not yet experienced problems with my Grid. Would you recommend getting the kit anyway? Kyaa The issue that this will fix are weak outputs. When you do run into the issue it's solvable by buffering the output with other modules. If you haven't run into issues, there would be no imminent need to apply the fix, but maybe it can offer some peace of mind? It doesn't change the functionality of the module at the end of the day, so I'd say it's a personal preference thing. Due to my soldering capabilities I'll live without the mod as I haven't had a problem anyway |
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Post by keurslagerkurt on Jun 21, 2023 8:22:18 GMT
I apt missed the problem thread, i have not yet experienced problems with my Grid. Would you recommend getting the kit anyway? Kyaa The issue that this will fix are weak outputs. When you do run into the issue it's solvable by buffering the output with other modules. If you haven't run into issues, there would be no imminent need to apply the fix, but maybe it can offer some peace of mind? It doesn't change the functionality of the module at the end of the day, so I'd say it's a personal preference thing. Hope I'm not too late, but I would like a fix module after all! Ran into some troubles yesterday when triggering a lot of the wonky voices & some envelopes, esp when using a TON of triggers (wanted to do an epic fill with all 16ths). |
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Post by Kyaa on Jul 3, 2023 17:27:05 GMT
Well, got the parts and the first prototype. Unfortunately the prototype didn't fit the board correctly so I'll have to do another revision...
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Post by rockysmalls on Jul 3, 2023 20:49:59 GMT
Well, got the parts and the first prototype. Unfortunately the prototype didn't fit the board correctly so I'll have to do another revision... oops! |
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Post by leethargo on Jul 4, 2023 6:58:17 GMT
I'm also interested in the fix, in the medium term, although I'd like to do the shipping in combination with something else to keep the costs down.
I haven't noticed any problems until yesterday, when I tried to use one channel from Euclid Grid as clock input to TRIQ164. This worked fine until I increased the BPM of Euclid Grid above 130 (roughly). What I observed then was that TRIQ164 was skipping some of the triggers, apparently. Not sure if this is related to the weak power outputs, or might even be a problem with TRIQ164? I only used one of the two outputs for the Euclid Grid channel (but also used the other channels to trigger other stuff).
> it's solvable by buffering the output with other modules
This means active buffering, right? Would a mixer work for this, or does it need to be a special buffer module?
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Post by dizzeesatchel on Jul 4, 2023 8:41:34 GMT
I believe you can use the Logic module to buffer: send Euclid Grid output into Logic A, and +5v from the master module into Logic B, then take the AND output to trigger TRIG164 or whatever
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Post by pt3r on Jul 4, 2023 11:36:32 GMT
Same thing can be done with VCA which you feed +5v on in and the gate signal you want to buffer on the cv input.
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Post by Kyaa on Jul 4, 2023 16:34:11 GMT
I'm also interested in the fix, in the medium term, although I'd like to do the shipping in combination with something else to keep the costs down. I haven't noticed any problems until yesterday, when I tried to use one channel from Euclid Grid as clock input to TRIQ164. This worked fine until I increased the BPM of Euclid Grid above 130 (roughly). What I observed then was that TRIQ164 was skipping some of the triggers, apparently. Not sure if this is related to the weak power outputs, or might even be a problem with TRIQ164? I only used one of the two outputs for the Euclid Grid channel (but also used the other channels to trigger other stuff). > it's solvable by buffering the output with other modules This means active buffering, right? Would a mixer work for this, or does it need to be a special buffer module? You should have the v1.1 module already, so the power fix wouldn't do anything in your case (or even fit for that matter). Maybe the duty cycle is too short given a higher BPM? Anyone else run into this? Side note, but an improvement on my radar is adjustable duty cycle for the outputs. |
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Post by leethargo on Jul 4, 2023 18:25:04 GMT
Thanks for all the suggestions.
I tried the buffering with LOGIC which didn't change anything about the behavior.
The comment about the duty cycle is interesting. My next thought was actually that the gates are too long and there is no retrigger on the next beat before the previous gate closes. I don't know how gate length depends on clock speed for Euclid Grid. I also tried one of the "vertical" outputs which had the same behavior.
I think on SEQ8, the output labeled "gate" actually sends short triggers, while the 8 step outputs send long gates (open until the next step).
I also thought that maybe TRIQ164 doesn't want to be clocked that fast. But when I used a square LFO as a clock, it can go ridiculously fast.
I now simply use that same LFO to clock both TRIQ164 and Euclid Grid which seems to work fine.
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Post by lukylutte on Jul 6, 2023 9:51:21 GMT
Ok, I had such issues didn't notice this could be fixed. I'd take one if not too late 😅✌️
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Post by Kyaa on Jul 6, 2023 15:37:18 GMT
No one has missed out on anything, haha. I'll get these up on the website when they're ready to go. Ordering another board revision this weekend.
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Post by tIB on Sept 27, 2023 13:56:33 GMT
Any word on this one?
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Post by Kyaa on Dec 8, 2023 6:57:35 GMT
I'm a bit aghast about how long this one took me, but it just kept falling through the cracks. The good news is though that I've now tested a fix on an actual old unit. Everything appears to work great; a noticeable reduction in noise, and it's now triggering problematic modules like S&H without issue. I'll do my best to get a shop page and an installation guide up over the next week or so. |
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Post by tIB on Dec 8, 2023 9:39:03 GMT
I'm a bit aghast about how long this one took me, but it just kept falling through the cracks. The good news is though that I've now tested a fix on an actual old unit. Everything appears to work great; a noticeable reduction in noise, and it's now triggering problematic modules like S&H without issue. I'll do my best to get a shop page and an installation guide up over the next week or so. It's great that you've seen it through though, thanks! |
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