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Post by S&E on Mar 6, 2022 3:54:26 GMT
I don’t usually ask such questions but I’m enthralled by the massive sound that comes in at 1:40 for 10 seconds. I have all kinds of synths so if u know I can get this or get close please let me know. I hope it’s not one of those things that can only be done in software though I have a bit of that too.
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Post by admin on Mar 6, 2022 3:58:47 GMT
This kind of distortion sounds like it could be achieved with the Quad Boost and/or Dead Band modules by keurslagerkurt.
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Post by S&E on Mar 6, 2022 6:44:02 GMT
This kind of distortion sounds like it could be achieved with the Quad Boost and/or Dead Band modules by keurslagerkurt. I’ve wanted those modules but I can’t assemble them. Is there anyone here that would do that for me for a fee. Are there any hardware synths that have that feature? I thought maybe it’s a comb filter or something like it possibly too but I have no idea. It’s a rather unique sound, clearly digital but with an analog oomph too.
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Post by maydonpoliris on Mar 6, 2022 9:49:57 GMT
Also sounds like something the Wavetables out into the BD or SD of the drumkit module would make.
Then using the Deadband CVmix into the CV of the wavetables and the out of the drumkit into Quadboost would make it that much better.
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Post by maydonpoliris on Mar 6, 2022 10:20:06 GMT
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Post by S&E on Mar 6, 2022 16:24:25 GMT
Also sounds like something the Wavetables out into the BD or SD of the drumkit module would make. Then using the Deadband CVmix into the CV of the wavetables and the out of the drumkit into Quadboost would make it that much better. I am trying to follow this but having a hard time. Can u expand upon it? I started thinking now maybe it’s some kind of ring mod situation too.
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Post by pt3r on Mar 6, 2022 17:56:45 GMT
Yep that sounds very similar, how did you patch it? Do you remember?
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Post by maydonpoliris on Mar 6, 2022 19:13:16 GMT
was lying in bed last night trying to remember the patch and then remembered I did a video as usual. Its not too clear due to all the wires but back then I liked this type of patch
Deadband CV mix out into wavetables CV in (channel 5 used) wavetables out into Drumkit BD or SD cant remember which probably BD. Drumkit into multifx not clear the position maybe flanger? or round about that position.
The Quad boost was used and I'm thinking it was before or after this can't remember how.
Also it was when I first got the Moco so it would have all been feed through this so maybe the inverted signal had an impact.
while playing I turned the deadband location knob and also the Multifx Feedback knob
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Post by maydonpoliris on Mar 6, 2022 23:23:00 GMT
Prob going to confuse things but I usually add the delay feedback after drumkit too.
I have just taken apart a patch so will give it a go tonight to see if I can recreate it.
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Post by maydonpoliris on Mar 7, 2022 10:30:43 GMT
Had a go, not exactly what you are after but a starting point I guess. I only included modules that you may have. ie didn't include the quad boost or deadband. They do add colour to the sound but may have moved away from what you were after so left them out.
Wavetables (Chorus) > Drumkit > Delay > MultiFX > mixer
Another option is replacing the Wavetables in the patch with the kick module. ie Kick >DrumKit > Delay >multifx
I only thought of this after I did the vid and it sounds good too.
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Post by S&E on Mar 7, 2022 22:26:36 GMT
Wow, thank you. This is awesome. If anyone is good at building those two Kurt modules for me please get in touch. I’m sure we can come to a good arrangement. I’m thinking I’ll buy the modules requiring building and send them to you with the fee you want and you do your thing and send them back to me. We could also trade or whatever depending what you are after. I just don’t have the equipment, knowledge, or space.
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Post by maydonpoliris on Mar 7, 2022 23:15:19 GMT
My pleasure. Would be cool if someone closer to you could help out. Obviously happy to help out of no one else can. Postage cost and time out this way is a bit of a hurdle but sounds better than the brexit costs.
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Post by keurslagerkurt on Mar 8, 2022 10:13:12 GMT
Wow, thank you. This is awesome. If anyone is good at building those two Kurt modules for me please get in touch. I’m sure we can come to a good arrangement. I’m thinking I’ll buy the modules requiring building and send them to you with the fee you want and you do your thing and send them back to me. We could also trade or whatever depending what you are after. I just don’t have the equipment, knowledge, or space. I can't offer to build them for you, because I simply do not have the time. But I can tell you that there is a good chance that some of the modules, including quad boost, will be available as finished modules later this year (no definitive promises tho!). I think some guitar pedals can get you pretty close to this sound, some classic distortion/fuzz pedals. The quad boost itself was loosely based on the LPB-1 guitar pedal, which is a very simple, but good sounding boost pedal. Other pedals which are classic on synths are Proco Rat or Boss distortion pedal. If you combine a distortion/fuzz/boost with some moving LP/BP filtering afterwards you should get close. The richer in harmonics the starting waveform is (square, ramp, wavetable, mixes of those), the more intens it can become. Oh and it also reminds me of the sound of two different square wave oscillators going into the LOGIC XOR. Send the output through a low pass and you can have a reaaaally fat, crunchy bass. Def worth trying out as its pretty incredible how rich the XOR sounds with square wave inputs.
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Post by S&E on Mar 11, 2022 5:20:30 GMT
Wow. You people are true synth maniacs, real magicians. I love it :-)
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Post by solipsistnation on Mar 11, 2022 6:03:22 GMT
That's a sampled 808 kick with the decay turned up really high and played at different pitches. Check here: samplefocus.com/samples/kick-808-boomFirst sample "808 kick - hollow". you could do it with an oscillator doing a sine with an AD envelope with no attack and a longish decay into Kurt's quad boost (channel 3 if you set it up the way he suggests 8), and then drive that oscillator. The hard part would be increasing or shortening the decay based on pitch, which I'm not sure we can do in AE right now since we don't have a voltage-controlled envelope. You could even use a sine into a filter with the cutoff low and the resonance high so it oscillates (MS20 might be good for this since it's pretty distorty on its own), and then run that into the envelope.
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Post by solipsistnation on Mar 11, 2022 6:11:45 GMT
...or did you mean the higher pitched sound and not the boom? It all gets really huge right there. 8)
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Post by keurslagerkurt on Mar 11, 2022 8:45:51 GMT
That's a sampled 808 kick with the decay turned up really high and played at different pitches. Check here: samplefocus.com/samples/kick-808-boomFirst sample "808 kick - hollow". you could do it with an oscillator doing a sine with an AD envelope with no attack and a longish decay into Kurt's quad boost (channel 3 if you set it up the way he suggests 8), and then drive that oscillator. The hard part would be increasing or shortening the decay based on pitch, which I'm not sure we can do in AE right now since we don't have a voltage-controlled envelope. You could even use a sine into a filter with the cutoff low and the resonance high so it oscillates (MS20 might be good for this since it's pretty distorty on its own), and then run that into the envelope. I think we do have voltage controlled envelopes right!
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Post by pol on Mar 11, 2022 10:18:11 GMT
That's a sampled 808 kick with the decay turned up really high and played at different pitches. Check here: samplefocus.com/samples/kick-808-boomFirst sample "808 kick - hollow". you could do it with an oscillator doing a sine with an AD envelope with no attack and a longish decay into Kurt's quad boost (channel 3 if you set it up the way he suggests 8), and then drive that oscillator. The hard part would be increasing or shortening the decay based on pitch, which I'm not sure we can do in AE right now since we don't have a voltage-controlled envelope. You could even use a sine into a filter with the cutoff low and the resonance high so it oscillates (MS20 might be good for this since it's pretty distorty on its own), and then run that into the envelope. We do!
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Post by pol on Mar 11, 2022 10:18:38 GMT
That's a sampled 808 kick with the decay turned up really high and played at different pitches. Check here: samplefocus.com/samples/kick-808-boomFirst sample "808 kick - hollow". you could do it with an oscillator doing a sine with an AD envelope with no attack and a longish decay into Kurt's quad boost (channel 3 if you set it up the way he suggests 8), and then drive that oscillator. The hard part would be increasing or shortening the decay based on pitch, which I'm not sure we can do in AE right now since we don't have a voltage-controlled envelope. You could even use a sine into a filter with the cutoff low and the resonance high so it oscillates (MS20 might be good for this since it's pretty distorty on its own), and then run that into the envelope. I think we do have voltage controlled envelopes right! You are correct! * wiki.aemodular.com/pmwiki.php/AeManual/ADSR
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Post by solipsistnation on Mar 11, 2022 16:57:26 GMT
I stand corrected!
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Post by pol on Mar 11, 2022 20:50:31 GMT
And now to need to buy one?!
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Post by solipsistnation on Mar 12, 2022 16:48:01 GMT
Wow, thank you. This is awesome. If anyone is good at building those two Kurt modules for me please get in touch. I’m sure we can come to a good arrangement. I’m thinking I’ll buy the modules requiring building and send them to you with the fee you want and you do your thing and send them back to me. We could also trade or whatever depending what you are after. I just don’t have the equipment, knowledge, or space.
Where are you located? If you're in the US, I can build and mail them for you.
Edit: I see Maryland in your profile. Yeah, sure, I've built Kurt's modules before. Message me and we can sort something out. I've traded stuff with other forum members who can vouch for me if you're worried.
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Post by S&E on Mar 12, 2022 19:18:40 GMT
You’re the man. I knew they didn’t use modular for the sound but this place is the only forum I’m on and I took a chance. I intend to make the sound in AE and also in regular land the way they likely did it but using my stuff and things. I will contact you to discuss the build. It seems I need his stuff anyway so may as well let it roll.
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Post by maydonpoliris on Mar 12, 2022 21:08:27 GMT
Wow, thank you. This is awesome. If anyone is good at building those two Kurt modules for me please get in touch. I’m sure we can come to a good arrangement. I’m thinking I’ll buy the modules requiring building and send them to you with the fee you want and you do your thing and send them back to me. We could also trade or whatever depending what you are after. I just don’t have the equipment, knowledge, or space.
Where are you located? If you're in the US, I can build and mail them for you.
Edit: I see Maryland in your profile. Yeah, sure, I've built Kurt's modules before. Message me and we can sort something out. I've traded stuff with other forum members who can vouch for me if you're worried.
very cool Solipsist, reminds me there are still nice people around
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Post by solipsistnation on Mar 12, 2022 21:33:18 GMT
...i just like soldering things together. 8)
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