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Post by 101 on Mar 1, 2022 20:16:28 GMT
I got nearly 4 1/2racks worth of modules, including Lopag, two noise modules, a fair few filters (including 2 wasp filters) and loads of VCA's and envelopes. Drumkit 010 and the Bass drum module. Should try to keep it all analogue though perhaps.
I was thinking of getting a Boss Dr55 for an acoustic project, which is a lot more affordable than a genuine CR78. Then I thought , hold on a minute, I should be able to do this on my AE modular. What you reckon? Any tips?.
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Post by MaxRichardson97 on Mar 1, 2022 21:31:39 GMT
The 78 is my favourite drum machine! I love the way Radiohead use it.
For me, in all honesty I'd rather just use samples of the original ported into a Volca or something. Analog doesn't bother me too much for that kind of thing, I like using samples of the machine itself.
If I were to use the AE, I guess the secret is a lot of envelopes and VCAs, and good sequencing options via Topograf and TRIQ!
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Post by funbun on Mar 1, 2022 23:34:33 GMT
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Post by MikMo on Mar 2, 2022 11:30:46 GMT
If you happen to have some of the old AR envelopes, they are quite good for snappy perc. style sounds.
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Post by pol on Mar 2, 2022 22:28:37 GMT
If you want to get really anal about it, you could look up how the sounds were created on the orignal (circuit design), but I would suggest just having a go at patching each sound you want and sample if you want an easier life sequencing wise (or at least be able to do an arrangement rather than the same pattern with a occansional fill just playing through the song). If you like the sampling route than you could always multisample to get some "analogue variation".
The biggest thing to me is to get drum sounds that work together, regardless of how they're generated and, of course, that they suit the piece of music you're planning....
Not sure how basic you need the reply to get, BDs best generated by a filter "thump", Snare needs a VCO and a noise sound mixed together (with FX can be really, really cool,  ), hit hats can just be a splash of noise, small filter sweep good on open hi hat (and how you can do pretend cymbals). On a modular you'll generate lots cool percussion sounds you won't need I'm sure - I do! (sampling again....) - covers toms, metal etc.
I personally would avoid the Drumkit 010 if you are after "analogue" sounds, but as I don't own one there may be some suitable ones, or could be filtered/processed.
The BD module can definitely do the type of Kick the CR series generate.... I still put mine through a filter sometimes, or the wavefolder can be useful.
If you are going for authentic 70s/80s electronic sound then don't have too much bass - that came along later, with CD and decent sound sytems in nightclubs etc....
Also, I think you'll find quite a few of the CR series sounds (and others) were not as snappy as they are now - you may find adding a little attack time may make it sound "older".
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Post by 101 on Mar 3, 2022 23:54:56 GMT
Thanks for the inputs. It definitely has to be all analogue. To make the snare I think I need to mix a sine wave and noise together. So maybe a slew rate limiter module acting on a square wave might be what I could use to do this. Any excuse to buy more modules  |
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Post by tIB on Mar 4, 2022 6:47:26 GMT
Soundwise if I remember right the cr78 is built around variations of a similar circuit for the most part. You're going to need a lot of squarewaves, filters and at least one ring mod. The old sound on sound synth secrets articles had somre great stuff on synthesising percussion - I think there's more than I pasted below but theyreysually a good tarting point: www.soundonsound.com/techniques/synthesizing-percussionwww.soundonsound.com/techniques/practical-bass-drum-synthesisSo yeah, you can definitely synthesise percussion, but how close to that cr78 sound you can get will depend on what you have in the rack, how much you can get close to what you don't have (eg amp mod for ring mod) and the closeness of AE to the original circuits in terms of tone. I suspect not very close if I'm honest - there are thousands of drum machines out there and a handful sound like the cr78, even the ones that try to often don't. That shouldn't stop you trying and having fun doing so though. |
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Post by 101 on Mar 17, 2022 19:02:48 GMT
I've just acquired a Soundmaster SR 88 and it clocks the AE through the 4IO module very nicely! with the sound going back in |
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Post by pol on Mar 17, 2022 20:55:35 GMT
I've just acquired a Soundmaster SR 88 and it clocks the AE through the 4IO module very nicely! with the sound going back in I used to have a Soundmaster Superstix ( ST305), sold on ebay for silly money a few years ago, but did sample it first! |
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Post by 101 on Mar 23, 2022 8:39:27 GMT
I've just acquired a Soundmaster SR 88 and it clocks the AE through the 4IO module very nicely! with the sound going back in I used to have a Soundmaster Superstix ( ST305), sold on ebay for silly money a few years ago, but did sample it first! They sound great. I have the CB 55 (Boss DR 55 clone) circuit board from circuitbenders. Hopefullly going to build it soon so I can trigger it from Topograf. If Robert built a module around this circuit it would be great. |
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Post by namke on Mar 23, 2022 11:50:58 GMT
I used to have a Soundmaster Superstix ( ST305), sold on ebay for silly money a few years ago, but did sample it first! They sound great. I have the CB 55 (Boss DR 55 clone) circuit board from circuitbenders. Hopefullly going to build it soon so I can trigger it from Topograf. If Robert built a module around this circuit it would be great. I already started with the bass drum  - thanks to admin for this: |
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Post by 101 on Mar 23, 2022 20:27:19 GMT
Namke. If you port the CB 55 circuit to AE and add in the conditioner circuit so it can be triggered by Topograf you might as well have my money now. I'd pre-order that one!
I've been listening to The Cure's Carnage Visors EP recently and the DR 55 they used on that is just pure joy.
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Post by namke on Mar 23, 2022 21:10:02 GMT
Namke. If you port the CB 55 circuit to AE and add in the conditioner circuit so it can be triggered by Topograf you might as well have my money now. I'd pre-order that one! I've been listening to The Cure's Carnage Visors EP recently and the DR 55 they used on that is just pure joy. Well, it's definitely on my to-do list! I'll see whether I can accelerate |
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), hit hats can just be a splash of noise, small filter sweep good on open hi hat (and how you can do pretend cymbals). On a modular you'll generate lots cool percussion sounds you won't need I'm sure - I do! (sampling again....) - covers toms, metal etc. 
