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Post by thehatghost on Jan 27, 2022 1:43:26 GMT
Hey All, When I was in theater school, we used to do something called the “24 hour play festival” where actors, directors, and writers were grouped randomly and devised, wrote, rehearsed and performed a play in the span of 24 hours. What do you all think of doing something like this with Ae Modular? The time span would have to be a little bit longer I think, but I also think that doing some sort of “exquisite corpse” style album might be kind of fun! (Exquisite corpse is a game the surrealists used to play : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exquisite_corpse) Let me know what you all think, I’d be happy to organize. Blayne
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Post by pt3r on Jan 27, 2022 6:01:45 GMT
That sounds really interesting. I'm interested, not sure how this is done with music but I'm interested. Nothing wrong with a bit of cutup. The worst that could happen is that we summon the late William S. Burroughs.
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Post by maydonpoliris on Jan 27, 2022 8:55:02 GMT
What a cool idea. I'd be up for it........I think I hear Bill starting to stir.......
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Post by admin on Jan 27, 2022 10:17:28 GMT
Love the idea! I would love to try to be a part in this.
So how would this work? One person starts with a track, then sends it to another person who adds to it, either overdubbing or extending it before sending that to the next person?
How many artists can be in one group?
If we like what comes out of it, we could turn it into an album under the AEtherwaves Label. I'd be happy to organise that.
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Post by pt3r on Jan 27, 2022 11:12:19 GMT
how about sending the last 15-30 seconds of your track to the next person? otherwise (s)he will try to write something that fits with previous track
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Post by thehatghost on Jan 27, 2022 14:45:27 GMT
I think the main goals for me would be having fun and collaboration, and we’re going to have to pick our guidelines well to be both surprised and create something musical. (Thinking about how sound works as opposed to images, words, etc.) I see a couple of different options for process: 1. Either a more collaborative approach where music gets passed from person to person, each adding material before passaging it onto a new person. (More the 24 hour play method or what admin suggested). We could do this in a way that each person starts a song, adds to another song, and then adds a final layer to another song. 2. Experimental approach where each person only gets a little information as to what they are adding on to before making and adding their part. (The exquisite corpse or “cut up “ approach.) As far as rules to the game some ideas: 1. We could exchange sections or layers, i.e. a ‘verse’ vs a ‘track’ or both?
2. It tends to go better when someone has enough information that there’s a similar spirt in all the parts. For the collaborative approach this is built in but for the experimental approach some ideas might be to get 20 seconds of audio from the previous piece (as @p3tr suggested), note and scale information, or a random phrase to respond to.
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Post by namke on Jan 27, 2022 16:57:45 GMT
Nice idea! I was involved in a few of these back in the day of the idm-making mailing list... What we did then was to specify rules, and then the end result was stitched together from the pieces received, so no 'mixing' as such, more like a crossfade between component parts. This was partly due to the era - it wasn't so easy to fling huge files across the internet on 33.6k or 56k modems, nowadays I think it would be much easier. I started one, and have the audio somewhere, so shall try and dig it out! (EDIT: found this on archive.org: web.archive.org/web/20060816000716/http://www.minimism.com:80/ec3 ) (audio: web.archive.org/web/20060816014841/http://homepage.ntlworld.com/john.tuffen/ec3.mp3 ) An example rule set might be something like: - Length 8 bars of 4/4;
- tempo 126bpm;
- (with a bar divided into 16) Kick on 1, 6, 10, 12,15;
- First note of the fragment is A2
Reverb tails were allowed, it was the job of the compiler to assemble them. Usually the rule-setter would have the first slot and the others were added in the order that the email arrived
Obviously the above rule list is defined within a specific genre - I can imagine something from the AE forum being less rigid!
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Post by thehatghost on Jan 28, 2022 18:15:12 GMT
I've had a chance to think about it a bit and would like to propose the following:
Each song will be comprised of 4-5 audio tracks, each track will have a theme ie "rhythm, lead, bass, atmosphere, drone ect". We'll set some themes which will be applied to every track (i think rhythm is a good one) and also assign some random themes. I think a mix of about 2-3 set themes and 1-2 random themes might be nice. Each person starts off by composing one "Track" such as a rhythm track which they pass to the next person. As the song gets passed form person to person each will add another track according to the given stage and theme. Each person will only get to hear the track or element that is recorded the step before theirs, so if I'm the third person I'll only get to hear the second persons addition and not the first persons work.
the flow would be something like:
1st person - makes a rhythm track and sends it to person 2 2nd person - makes a bass melody in response to the rhythm track and only sends the bass melody track to person 3 3rd person - makes a lead track in response to the bass track and only sends the lead track to person 4 4th person - randomly draws the theme "Reverberation" and makes a track to go with the lead track
Now we have a song!
Each of us could make a bass track, rhythm track, lead track, and random track for different songs, so after you compose a rhythm track for one song, you'd be composing a bass line for another, ect.
Also, i used the themes above because I thought it might help for the sake of clarity, so there is lots room to mess with them.
Thoughts?
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Post by tIB on Jan 28, 2022 18:42:43 GMT
I've had a chance to think about it a bit and would like to propose the following:
Each song will be comprised of 4-5 audio tracks, each track will have a theme ie "rhythm, lead, bass, atmosphere, drone ect". We'll set some themes which will be applied to every track (i think rhythm is a good one) and also assign some random themes. I think a mix of about 2-3 set themes and 1-2 random themes might be nice. Each person starts off by composing one "Track" such as a rhythm track which they pass to the next person. As the song gets passed form person to person each will add another track according to the given stage and theme. Each person will only get to hear the track or element that is recorded the step before theirs, so if I'm the third person I'll only get to hear the second persons addition and not the first persons work.
the flow would be something like:
1st person - makes a rhythm track and sends it to person 2 2nd person - makes a bass melody in response to the rhythm track and only sends the bass melody track to person 3 3rd person - makes a lead track in response to the bass track and only sends the lead track to person 4 4th person - randomly draws the theme "Reverberation" and makes a track to go with the lead track
Now we have a song!
Each of us could make a bass track, rhythm track, lead track, and random track for different songs, so after you compose a rhythm track for one song, you'd be composing a bass line for another, ect.
Also, i used the themes above because I thought it might help for the sake of clarity, so there is lots room to mess with them.
Thoughts?
At the risk of sounding like a complete grump, while I see the need for some boundaries, that approach seems quite narrow in terms of output/genre. I haven't written a baseline in years though so what do I know?!
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Post by tIB on Jan 28, 2022 19:42:51 GMT
To expand on that a little, and I'm sorry in advance if this comes off wrong, I suppose what I'm trying to say is that sometimes preconceptions can be a really limiting factor.
As an example, I really didn't like what was done to my waves 3 submit (no offence to whoever mastered it - I can see why they took the decisions they did), as it attempted to pull what was essentially a bass drone/'feeling' into something more balanced, killing the intention in the process. I mean, it was a terrible track anyway, but the end result takes out the whole pint of the track, as it 'should sound balsnced'. My point would be it should sound how I wanted it to sound, but preconception took that in a different direction. And again, apologies for offence to whoever did the master - I understand why, you generously gave it your time and it's simply the result of having no dialogue over the finished article.
I'd personally be more interested in this approach with little to no limitations - I quite like the idea of seeing what comes out of nothing but the links made - ie a complete work made up of however many parts.
Perhaps there in lies an approach - you sign up to collaborate via subgenres: 145bpm Techno, 88bpm dub, 165bpm breakcore... just put me in the 'no genre/experimental' group and don't dare master it!
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Post by thehatghost on Jan 28, 2022 20:54:32 GMT
Also, i used the themes above because I thought it might help for the sake of clarity, so there is lots room to mess with them.
Thoughts?
At the risk of sounding like a complete grump, while I see the need for some boundaries, that approach seems quite narrow in terms of output/genre. I haven't written a baseline in years though so what do I know?! I manly used those themes / terms in the hopes it would help the concept be understandable to the wide international audience that comprises the AE community some of which speak English at various fluency levels (which is why I ended the post with the above sentence). I am more curious as to what everything thinks might be fun / interesting / surprising than dictating terms.
I think that some of the point of this type of activity is getting out of one's comfort zone, and the comfort zone of electronic music tends to be individualists making tracks alone. This was just a first stab at trying to structure something functional to solicit feedback for a potential endeavor, not a finished idea.
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Post by pol on Feb 8, 2022 20:00:16 GMT
What about sending a recording of (any) patch on the AE for another person to mess about with, (sorry, compose with)? Even I with no computer in my studio can put a file into my sampler, or could lob it onto a multitrack.... It could even just free run on my Zoom recorder and I play along,
I agree guidelines is sensible - maybe file type; is there some way of having a central resource where we could pick a file/sound we want to work on?
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Post by pol on Feb 8, 2022 20:02:48 GMT
I've had a chance to think about it a bit and would like to propose the following:
Each song will be comprised of 4-5 audio tracks, each track will have a theme ie "rhythm, lead, bass, atmosphere, drone ect". We'll set some themes which will be applied to every track (i think rhythm is a good one) and also assign some random themes. I think a mix of about 2-3 set themes and 1-2 random themes might be nice. Each person starts off by composing one "Track" such as a rhythm track which they pass to the next person. As the song gets passed form person to person each will add another track according to the given stage and theme. Each person will only get to hear the track or element that is recorded the step before theirs, so if I'm the third person I'll only get to hear the second persons addition and not the first persons work.
the flow would be something like:
1st person - makes a rhythm track and sends it to person 2 2nd person - makes a bass melody in response to the rhythm track and only sends the bass melody track to person 3 3rd person - makes a lead track in response to the bass track and only sends the lead track to person 4 4th person - randomly draws the theme "Reverberation" and makes a track to go with the lead track
Now we have a song!
Each of us could make a bass track, rhythm track, lead track, and random track for different songs, so after you compose a rhythm track for one song, you'd be composing a bass line for another, ect.
Also, i used the themes above because I thought it might help for the sake of clarity, so there is lots room to mess with them.
Thoughts?
I like this idea of producing 4 different parts, maybe could be sound catergories? 16 people would be perfect for sending 4 files to each other with no overlap,
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