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Post by geri on Jun 29, 2021 20:25:35 GMT
Hello, I might finally have found an excuse to get into modular ;-) I have uFreak, DrumBrute, OP-1, Volca Modular and a guitar with effects, so I feel equipped with sequencers and arpeggiators but I wouldn't mind some more experimental and generative toys.
I like the DFAM's sounds, but find the sequencer dull, while I like the Multicassa's rythms, but it's sounds somewhat limited. So I figured I might try to build some system that combines the two, and maybe add some droning and effects for good measure (algodrone for sure, love that). So I started throwing some modules together: However, I have no clue whether my plan makes sense at all and what additional modules (particularly utilities like attenuverters) I would need. So I would appreciate any comments and suggestions very much :-)
Cheers, Geri
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Post by paulyv on Jun 29, 2021 21:25:35 GMT
Amazing. I login after many weeks absence with the intention of asking 'how do I recreate a DFAM in AE Modular' and here you are.
I don't think I am hijacking this thread by asking 'what is the DFAM?'. What are the key elements? I understand there's a bit of VCA fun going on amongst other things. Would be interesting to understand what how a row of AE modular could emulate what DFAM is. If we were to recreate DFAM in AE, what would we need?
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Post by admin on Jun 29, 2021 21:35:06 GMT
Hello and welcome to the forum!
Even though you have sequencers in most of your other gear, I would still advise to have at least the SEQ8 in your case. It's really versatile and can be used for in so many other ways than just sending pitch. Alternatively for generative stuff I would recommend the RBSS from Wonkystuff, which is very similar to the Turing Machine in that it sends out random stepped CV and lets you control the randomness.
Also if you get the DRONE38 then you should definitely also get the DRONX mixer. Its many delay algorithms make the DRONE38 come to life and are really good for mangling all sounds.
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Post by geri on Jun 30, 2021 7:30:33 GMT
Amazing. I login after many weeks absence with the intention of asking 'how do I recreate a DFAM in AE Modular' and here you are. I don't think I am hijacking this thread by asking 'what is the DFAM?'. What are the key elements? I understand there's a bit of VCA fun going on amongst other things. Would be interesting to understand what how a row of AE modular could emulate what DFAM is. If we were to recreate DFAM in AE, what would we need? Welcome aboard, glad to have a partner in crime  Omri Cohen's Let's build the Moog DFAM in VCV Rack is a guide on how to build one and I find Loopop's compraison between DFAM and Mother32 a good introduction oh how the DFAM works. As I understand it, DFAM is two oscillators and a noise source with envelopes and a filter to shape the sound. Then there are two 8-step sequencers to adjust parameters like pitch and velocity for each trigger. So to make a bass drum an a snare already requires some tricks and to get a pattern that is not 8 equally divided beats as well.
I would like my system to be somewhat less limited and not have to abuse CV (from sequencers or whatever) to make the only voice sound differently at each step. Hello and welcome to the forum! Even though you have sequencers in most of your other gear, I would still advise to have at least the SEQ8 in your case. It's really versatile and can be used for in so many other ways than just sending pitch. Alternatively for generative stuff I would recommend the RBSS from Wonkystuff, which is very similar to the Turing Machine in that it sends out random stepped CV and lets you control the randomness. Also if you get the DRONE38 then you should definitely also get the DRONX mixer. Its many delay algorithms make the DRONE38 come to life and are really good for mangling all sounds. Thanks and thanks for your reply!
I will look into the suggested modules, but could you elaborate a little? What would you use the SEQ8 for? If I had two, I would be very close to the DFAM, could you also set them up to get 16 steps? Can you reset them easily to get 7 steps or so? And regarding the DRONX, I don't see (because I have no clue, I am trying to understand, not looking for trouble ;-)) the added value. DRONE38 already has some options to mix the oscillators. And what sets it's delays apart? I am not even sure whether I would get the Effekts-Module as I have a Bastl Thyme and some pedals. I should play some drones into the Thyme, never occurred to me to use delay on steady sounds.
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Post by MikMo on Jun 30, 2021 7:45:22 GMT
Nice setup. I would add a VCA module, and maybe the 4I/O module, depending on the voltage levels of the other devices.
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Post by admin on Jun 30, 2021 10:17:29 GMT
Hi geri, with the SEQ8 or SEQ16 (they are very similar) you can send control voltages to any destination, not just pitch. I use it often to control cutoff frequency on a filter or shape on a wavefolder. It's just CV and that makes it so versatile. Check out my video about SEQ16 for some ideas: About the DRONX ... the delay effects are quite special and drastic and make the sound of the DRONE38 much bigger and more impactful. Check out my video on those two modules for more details: |
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Post by NightMachines on Jun 30, 2021 15:13:43 GMT
I like the Multicassa's rythms Ah yes, the Multicassa is simple in concept, but the beats are indeed pretty cool. I would probably add a MM-DIVIDER to your rack too. It’s a shiftable clock divider, which is basically what the Multicassa has four of, if I remember correctly. The other interesting part of the Multicassa are its dynamics. The device is using pinged filter circuits for sound generation (I think). You can mix the four clock divider triggers together at varying amplitudes to ping the filters at different intensities, adding another layer of variation to the four clock divider trigger rhythms. So to create a Multicassa sequencer with AE Modular, you’d want four MM-DIVs, three CV/DC Mixers like the ATTMIX or POLAMIX and then also probably three VCAs, to modulate the amplitude or other parameters of your sounds. Of course you’ve already got plenty of trigger generators in your rack, so I’d only add one MM-DIV, an ATTMIX, a POLAMIX and a 4VCA to your setup in the first post. |
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Post by pol on Jun 30, 2021 16:12:15 GMT
You may need the new STOMP I/O module too!
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Post by geri on Jun 30, 2021 21:27:13 GMT
Indeed, it would be nice to integrate better with other instruments than just sync and mix them; thanks for the suggestions, MikMo and pol . Actually, MIDI to sequence the DrumBrute would be very sweet too :-) Thank you, admin , for making these movies! I knew the one about the drones, the problem is just that it's really difficult for me to figure our what a delay is doing when you play continuous notes 🤷 I hadn't seen the one on the sequencer before, that clarified my questions :-) Great idea, NightMachines ! It didn't occur to me to build a Multicassa-style sequencer, I just noticed that the TOPOGRAF/Grids can do Euclidean rhythms and I thought close enough ;-) |
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Post by MikMo on Jul 1, 2021 12:04:05 GMT
So for following the advice in this thread, you basically just need an extra 2x20 case filled up with various modules |
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Post by pol on Jul 2, 2021 7:56:56 GMT
So for following the advice in this thread, you basically just need an extra 2x20 case filled up with various modules I didn't think I would end up with a 3 row (filling my 4th) when I started on my AE journey, but you keep thinking another LFO/ENV etc. and then there's the new modules at regular intervals.... My AE is now my most expensive piece of kit in my studio but doesn't feel like that as done over several years and many orders.... Sort of a warning, but it's a good thing too  |
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Post by geri on Jul 10, 2021 7:27:33 GMT
SOMA Pulsar 23 is another unique drum machine that might provide some inspiration: It has four versatile voices and can go from beats to drones and back :-)
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Post by pt3r on Jul 11, 2021 10:13:26 GMT
I would also add a seq 8 and and lfo module as a clock source or use the algodrone + MM-divider for a more fluctuating dynamic shifting clock source. and more env and vca modules. You don't need that extra rack (for now) |
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Post by funbun on Jul 22, 2021 6:12:59 GMT
Also the LOPAG for custom drum sounds.
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