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Post by lukylutte on Jun 10, 2021 7:52:32 GMT
That's it! Like many of us I reached the point again where I have more modules coming than space in my case. 14U of module in postage with 0U available in my cases . So just wanted to know what's your take on such situation? Many get more case and keep extending (GO FOR IT situation) but does some force themselves with only a pre determined number of raw and that's it.. (Keep It Simple Stu.)? The later was my original idea so it's why I didn't order a third case yet. I wanted to only have my case (2 x 2x16U). It's so convenient to be able to leave a patch on and take it wherever I want. It have been pointing out many time on the forum that, considering the price and the low space taken. I could just keep the extra module in a drawer for future exchange in the main box. Or just take an other box for "left over/noise case. However, considering all the "must have module" that will appear in the next released (and also all the next one as there have always been), I'm kind of thinking of getting the 4x20U case with this hard bag. However, this would mean the end of my bomb case which I love . Anyway can't complain it's just good problems to deal with... So just curious, if you keep adding case until when you'd stop? Or do you just force yourself to have a X amount of modules and deal with it?
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Post by NightMachines on Jun 10, 2021 8:26:10 GMT
We briefly talked about detachable row systems on the Discord chat recently. Like individual 1 or 2 row cases, which would each work on their own, but also could be linked together as one big system. I feel like this is a nice concept for expansion in the AE Modular ecosystem, since the cases are both portable and easy to connect to each other. This avoids the “wall of modular” overkill phenomenon, which can sometimes stifle creativity due to too many options, and it also doesn’t require modules to be stored away in drawers, which would have to be mounted prior to usage. So my personal opinion would be to get small cases and just expand when you feel like it.
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Post by pt3r on Jun 10, 2021 8:56:36 GMT
Interesting question. I have not received my 2nd case yet. So far my 2x16 case is filled completely but I tend to use a KISS approach; in the beginning for example, I did not use the seq8 in my patches because I was still busy wrapping my head around the more basic modules like for example the env2 module, once I grasped the bread an butter modules I would integrate another 'new' module to my patches to learn its in and outs, thus building my know-how organically.
The risk of the go for it approach can, IMO, lead to behemoth systems filled with modules that are rarely used, or not understood well enough which could lead to the procurement of another module to solve a patching problem that could've been tackled with a module you already owned but which you don't understand well enough to see its possibilities, thus creating a GAS loop, so often seen in modular synthesis.
We will probably not feel the financial impact of GAS so quickly, as compared to Eurorack where the individual modules are way more expensive.
My goal eventually is to permanently fix my racks in a pelican like case to have a sturdy portable system.
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Post by moruial on Jun 10, 2021 10:05:58 GMT
GO FOR IT!!! At first when my journey started into the AE Modular world, I knew I wanted to have wall of modules, mostly because it is aestheticaly pleasing to me, but also because it's a damn fun instrument to play. I have few other gears, and the AEM is the one, if not the only one, I use.
I can get why people want to have a restricted set up to have time to learn each modules deeply or because of the room it may take, but I have all the space I want so it is not my concern at the moment. Currently I have 3 2*16 case and after the next order arrived, only 5U left, so a 4*16 case will surely be the next buy (with the CIRRUS module aswel)
Each patch I deepen mè understanding of some modules and I incorporate some other to learn them in the process, all in all, I have a life time in front of me to learn each and new module,s so it is not a problem
The bigger, the funnier it looks, and the sound possibility increase as well, so I'll GO FOR IT all the way!
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Post by lukylutte on Jun 10, 2021 10:38:45 GMT
NICE! So far 3 answer and all different . Perfect answers from every one. Keep them coming!!! Anyway, the keep it in drawer isn't a respectful option so I promise it won't happen (much as I'll have to wait and receive the next case). Still two option (might do both), how big the next one. I like the approach of having separate fully working but different system which can be both alone or part of a bigger system. Since for me the need to be movable is key. I want to be able to take it and attempt as many jam situation as I could. So 2 x 2x16u or 1 x 4x20 would be max for a system. The best of both world would be to start a new system with the left over so to GO FOR IT. But keeping it simple as a system; each system is attempted to only few thing (1 for techno impro, one for generative ambient, one for industrial noisecore or whatever) to K.I.S.S. Interesting to read why one is planning what and even more if the plan (like mine) is changed after reaching its limits
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Post by dizzeesatchel on Jun 10, 2021 11:16:11 GMT
We briefly talked about detachable row systems on the Discord chat recently. Like individual 1 or 2 row cases, which would each work on their own, but also could be linked together as one big system. I like this idea. My 2x16 is currently full so expanding with another single row shortly. The idea is to use the single row unit as a kind of expansion/performance row ie. to fill it with things like mixers, BioT (at least the one i have currently, probably another once they're available again), I/O units etc. What i really *don't* want to do is make my two-row unusable without the extension connected, so I've been thinking quite carefully about the balance. I think putting a VMBRIDGE in the 1-row will be quite a nice way to make it a 'standalone' unit as then you have access to the volcas oscillators, envelopes, random, reverb etc
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Post by moruial on Jun 10, 2021 12:14:35 GMT
I like the idea of "one case, one kind of sound", but it mean more bread and butter modules for each case, right? like enveloppes and VCA and LFO and such. Or just switching modules when you use a case?
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Post by lukylutte on Jun 10, 2021 12:15:32 GMT
Mentioning the VMbridge it make me realized that a Racklink kit would be nice way as well to connect different systems. The 8 extra patch pints make it super handy to avoid extra-long patch cable between the 2. Stuff to think about
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Post by lukylutte on Jun 10, 2021 12:21:05 GMT
I like the idea of "one case, one kind of sound", but it mean more bread and butter modules for each case, right? like enveloppes and VCA and LFO and such. Or just switching modules when you use a case? Exactly, more utilities module; power or master, lfo, vco, envelopes ect. if fully stand alone. In the 14U I need to replace I can have one of each (just not the power or master yet). But definitely something to consider when starting from a smaller system. Many double one in my actual system: http://instagr.am/p/CNANBYHh0EX
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Post by robertlanger on Jun 10, 2021 12:29:14 GMT
I want to contribute the following point to this discussion : With the (not-so) new cases having bus connectors at front and rear side, several cases could be connected also with a longer ribbon cable via this plugs and without the hinge. So this would make the RACKLINK module obsolete - sacrificing the 8 free assignable connections, but when the cases have a dedicated purpose, this might be no issue. Such a 10-pin bus connection might bring some flexibility for certain scenarios.; could be 40-50 cm in length. I had this thought a while ago, but lost it and this discusion reminded me. What do you think? We could produce such a cable super easy.
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Post by Gaëtan on Jun 10, 2021 12:53:15 GMT
I think that my 4x20 is as big as I want to go as for size I just don't have room for more at the moment, and I feel that it would turn rather difficult to patch. I definitely like the idea of several self-contained cases in order to keep focus. I could totally imagine a mixer case too ! I think a modular rack needs to have a minimum of focus, and that is more important than how big it is. If you're just randomly adding modules as you go, it's most likely going to become difficult at some point. For me, my Æ rack is about building a modular that is fairly straightforward, and mainly composed of many basic building blocks.
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Post by lukylutte on Jun 10, 2021 13:01:48 GMT
I want to contribute the following point to this discussion : With the (not-so) new cases having bus connectors at front and rear side, several cases could be connected also with a longer ribbon cable via this plugs and without the hinge. So this would make the RACKLINK module obsolete - sacrificing the 8 free assignable connections, but when the cases have a dedicated purpose, this might be no issue. Such a 10-pin bus connection might bring some flexibility for certain scenarios.; could be 40-50 cm in length. I had this thought a while ago, but lost it and this discusion reminded me. What do you think? We could produce such a cable super easy. That would be great. It's true that I needed to get an extra long ribbon cable to be able to put the two 2X16 in the case. As for the 8 free assignable connections, it could be a simple DIY project (even for my rooky skills) with 2 blank panel, 10 patch sockets and some ribbon connectors.
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Post by dizzeesatchel on Jun 10, 2021 13:04:28 GMT
I want to contribute the following point to this discussion : With the (not-so) new cases having bus connectors at front and rear side, several cases could be connected also with a longer ribbon cable via this plugs and without the hinge. So this would make the RACKLINK module obsolete - sacrificing the 8 free assignable connections, but when the cases have a dedicated purpose, this might be no issue. Such a 10-pin bus connection might bring some flexibility for certain scenarios.; could be 40-50 cm in length. I had this thought a while ago, but lost it and this discusion reminded me. What do you think? We could produce such a cable super easy. we were having a similar discussion in another thread recently It seems like cables of this type are pretty available generally but I was a bit unsure exactly what to search for when looking for one so something TW-produced could help! guaranteed compatibility
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Post by NightMachines on Jun 10, 2021 16:08:12 GMT
Yeah, I made myself a very long ribbon cable for my little drone rack I also forgot what/where exactly I ordered the ribbon and the connectors, but once you have them, all you need is scissors and a hard boot to assemble a proper cable It would be great though if there was an official adapter, like my DIY 5V USB one. Ideally it would have both a barrel plug socket (maybe even with reversible polarity somehow) with a power converter and a USB socket, so that one could attach any kind of power supply, without sacrificing a module space.
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Post by moruial on Jun 10, 2021 20:59:12 GMT
I do use the RACKLINK module, it's pretty handy as I have an older case without the buss connector. It gives a bit a flexibility on where you can store your rack as both case have a long ribbon cable between them. May be hard with patchwire in between.
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Post by tIB on Jun 10, 2021 21:35:43 GMT
I've never found larger systems to be an issue creatively, quite the opposite actually. That said I was reasonably determined (ie I wasn't) to keep my AE system to two rows, more because I have other larger systems and wanted to finally keep one small. Trouble is Robert keeps making nice stuff, and while I may scale back to two rows one day, I need to try a few bits first - the nyle, upcoming clouds thing and more importantly, for sake of width, the mixconsole are all itches that need scratching. 3 rows is my absolute limit though. Honestly.
Meanwhile my third row was joined with a diy version of the cable Robert is talking about - I run from bottom of the two row to the top of my 1x16, which sits on top of the two row. I thought about making it detachable/standalone incidentally, though decided I didn't need that really, given the whole point of my system was to be a take out live setup.
Ironic that taking things out live hasn't been a thing for the entire time I've had his system, given I've finally achieved the portable modular in a box I've been trying different configs out for more than a decade. Hopefully that (live) will change soon, though I'm becoming less bothered about the prospect of playing out again of I'm honest. Que sera...
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Post by keurslagerkurt on Jun 11, 2021 12:18:54 GMT
Like NightMachines mentioned, I like the approach where you have a small detachable part to your modular. I've had lots of fun with a detachable top row. I started out with a starter rack II, but I quickly got another one row case and by now I have two extra one row cases. I like the idea of sitting in the couch with a one row system, developing a slow drown or some interesting ambient/'background' music. I have even been patching in my bed before going to sleep haha. Then, if still feel the need to go on with the patch in a larger setting, I can just put the 1 row back in the larger system and incorporate it. Fun stuff! The single row does have limitations, but these really push me to more complicated and out of the box patches, which is a lot of fun. Of course the larger system is more fun when I want to make for example a good 'lead' sound with an external midi controller. Or if I want to make a complete drumbeat with the Topograph triggers. Or if I want to do more of a dynamic song/performance using the 4ATT faders, working the filters etc etc. So I honestly think you can get a bit of a 'best of both worlds' scenario with making these small 'self-contained' systems. Like pt3r says, it can be good to focus on a small amount of modules, because it really makes you get up close and learn certain special tricks of seemingly straightforward modules. For example using the 2env's as looping LFO's, and letting them modulate eachothers decay/attack to get these complicated, interacting patterns. I also discovered a lot of 'hidden' functionalities of the Dead Band module I designed myself, possibilities that I really didn't intend to be there when I designed the circuit (eg. it can act as a VCA, and it can also act as a CV offset & scaling tool, I should do a video on those one day). An example of what I come up with on the one-rack:
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Post by lukylutte on Jun 11, 2021 14:27:13 GMT
So went for an extra 2x16 with a power module to have it fully stand alone when needed. Definitely, best of both worlds to have smaller simple systems but that can still work in a bigger one...
For now the new case will be from my left over for experimentation. But will be for generative patch for guitar noodling!
The other main case been for live improvised techno.
This approach also allow to be more specific with each one so they'll be good at the one thing there meant to be (and not okish for most like now)...
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Post by maydonpoliris on Jun 11, 2021 22:03:05 GMT
So went for an extra 2x16 with a power module to have it fully stand alone when needed. Definitely, best of both worlds to have smaller simple systems but that can still work in a bigger one... For now the new case will be from my left over for experimentation. But will be for generative patch for guitar noodling! The other main case been for live improvised techno. This approach also allow to be more specific with each one so they'll be good at the one thing there meant to be (and not okish for most like now)... This will be my approach at the moment too. My current 2 *16 fits perfectly on a stable table for ignoring life noodling, learning diy etc or with small external systems like a volca or 2. My thought on the second one when arrives will be to set it up independently. I see myself getting confused with a bigger single Ae set up especially while learning. I'm sure modules will be continually swapped between the 2. The beauty of the ever changing, versatile Ae, is any set up works and not one of us have the same. love it.
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Post by dizzeesatchel on Jun 11, 2021 23:14:13 GMT
Yeah i think a POWER module will make its way into my planned single row unit at some point for true standalone use. Also i only just realised that module has a headphone amp! So useful!
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Post by pol on Jun 13, 2021 17:59:50 GMT
As a user who started with a 1 row not even filled system and now awaiting 2 modules from TW to complete a 3rd row, I can't see the point of limiting yourself to a certain size system; modular by design is meant to be adaptable. A module that could really enhance your studio may come out tomorrow/next year etc. What is more important is what you want to do with it. I started off just wanting to have a fiddle with modular, but now it distracts me for hours from actually composing music! More seriously, my early extra modules were to increase the signal processing capacity/range (ironically enough one of the modules I use least is the MultiFX); now I am working towards a self contained mini-studio system to work with a drum machine (probably my Korg DDD1), Neutron and Minibrute to make more experiential/ wierd/ soundscapes etc. Why limit yourself?... I too like the idea of separate racks for different needs/jobs etc., one of my cases is old, so I do use the racklink; the ability to place the 2nd rack elsewhere can be very useful, and the patch connections are definitely useful! My 2nd rack have most of my trigger/CV processing modules in it, so can be moved away to be used with the patchbays on the Neutron or Minibrute. Good fun, I guess I am in the go for it camp to answer your question.... but the best advice I can suggest to cover some of your concerns is to only buy more modules slowly, or where there is a gaping need (e.g lack LFOS or VCAs).
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Post by lukylutte on Jun 14, 2021 12:23:42 GMT
My only limitations is that one system needs to be portable. So I can take it with me to a jam. However, no limitations in the numbers of system. 😜.
For 20y bass was my main instrument, playing in many different bands and project. Don't have a proper home studio. I only get the right to use a corner of a room. So no way to jam at my place with friends 😜. This was one of the main reason I sold my eurorack setup as in 3 years I have only took it out once. I'd rather have smaller system that I can take and show the world how nice it sounds then a wall of modular only for myself. Mostly due to the fact that I'm not a producer at heart. All the studio and EP I made was with and for a specific band/project. I'm more of a player... However, already got many ideas for the next systems but it seems I forgot the main limitations: € 😅
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Post by lukylutte on Jun 14, 2021 12:27:24 GMT
but the best advice I can suggest to cover some of your concerns is to only buy more modules slowly, or where there is a gaping need (e.g lack LFOS or VCAs). Totally agree with this. Seems a lite in unit. But it's only the mixer (now using 5 of it to get the same result) and some utility which was missing... Which all together should simplified the patches...
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