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Post by 101 on Apr 24, 2021 8:03:28 GMT
Bit of a vent really and whether anyone else has had similar issues with YouTube recently? I've often used copyright free film footage from archive.org for my music videos. But I've had 3 warnings from YouTube over the last year over some videos I put to my own music.
1. North Korea propaganda cartoon, which I though was hilarious - YouTube didn't - inappropriate content.
2. Black & white 1950''s ballroom dancing - people dancing detected you cannot monetize this video.
3. My latest (which I was really pleased with) - a 1960's slowmo footage of crash test dummies getting piled - copyright manually detected - it had 25 views.
I'm losing the will to live. Rant over.
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Post by admin on Apr 24, 2021 8:10:37 GMT
Maybe a lot of the restrictions come from the video being monetized?
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Post by 101 on Apr 24, 2021 8:21:12 GMT
I dunno it's never been my intention to monetize anything anyway. I'm just amazed that my latest was 'manually detected' as a copyright violation after just 3 days. The title was just AE modular and a track name. It's like I've been assigned a stroppy youtube bot.
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Post by admin on Apr 24, 2021 8:21:57 GMT
So I'm mostly using only my own video and own music and I don't even use samples. But also I've switched off monetization on all of my videos as with so few views there isn't much value in it anyway.
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Post by admin on Apr 24, 2021 8:25:11 GMT
I dunno it's never been my intention to monetize anything anyway. I'm just amazed that my latest was 'manually detected' as a copyright violation after just 3 days. The title was just AE modular and a track name. It's like I've been assigned a stroppy youtube bot. Yeah those YT bots are super aggressive! I've seen a video of someone who had a strike because his video contained a filter sweep made on his own synth that was similar to a filter sweep on one of Daft Punks songs. I mean, come on, a filter sweep?? Seriously? |
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Post by 101 on Apr 24, 2021 8:26:49 GMT
I dunno it's never been my intention to monetize anything anyway. I'm just amazed that my latest was 'manually detected' as a copyright violation after just 3 days. The title was just AE modular and a track name. It's like I've been assigned a stroppy youtube bot. Yeah those YT bots are super aggressive! I've seen a video of someone who had a strike because his video contained a filter sweep made on his own synth that was similar to a filter sweep on one of Daft Punks songs. I mean, come on, a filter sweep?? Seriously? Jeez that's just nuts! |
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Post by spacedog on Apr 24, 2021 9:15:21 GMT
I dunno it's never been my intention to monetize anything anyway. I'm just amazed that my latest was 'manually detected' as a copyright violation after just 3 days. The title was just AE modular and a track name. It's like I've been assigned a stroppy youtube bot. Yeah those YT bots are super aggressive! I've seen a video of someone who had a strike because his video contained a filter sweep made on his own synth that was similar to a filter sweep on one of Daft Punks songs. I mean, come on, a filter sweep?? Seriously? I had a run of hits from YT about the music being copyrighted (and not by me). I pushed back on every one of them, and I won every one of them. I use a lot of footage legitimately, and I don't monetise, and that hasn't been a problem for a while now. If you seek to make money, someone will nearly always get there before you if everything isn't 100% created by you - and even then there's the ridiculous filter sweep debacle that I'd spotted as well. I seem to remember that the YT video where he complained about it even got a strike because it played the offending sweep - a truly recursive YT strike.
I took two lessons from this. One, to push back instantly when they say it's not your music (they give up the fight almost immediately as this is just a bot-induced numbers game); and, two, give credit to the source of the video wherever possible, especially when they allow usage - I've pushed back on this as well, noting the credit given that matches the terms of usage, and I won.
Hopefully, this has stood me in good stead and I've re-released quite a few videos that I'd had to hide whilst this was going on.
I've been enjoying my attempts at creating my own videos and I do now have some good (and free) tools that can get me some fun visuals. As an aside, my latest project has been to venture into the world of mixing for 5.1, and I was amazed to find that Reaper handled that in the same way that it did video, i.e. without breaking into anything even approaching a vague sweat  I tried both creating something specifically for 5.1 and also remixing some old tracks. The obvious next step is bring all of that together, but I think it will stop being either free or cheap at that point.
Onwards...
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Post by moruial on Apr 24, 2021 10:17:15 GMT
I didn't had any problem yet. But I do only use my own material, nothing else. Plus, I do not have lot of views.
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Post by rockysmalls on Apr 24, 2021 13:31:31 GMT
just use vimeo, Uboob is a nasty thing , whilst many have problems with ridiculous takedowns, I cannot get unsanctioned posting of my own work taken down without giving endless kafka-esque details and having the thing sit there with a big flag “ taken down by ..... “ as if i am some kind of internet killjoy rather than one of the few that has read up on the ‘slave trade’ politics of the thing and wants nothing to do with it.. here’s some reasoning from Terre Thaemlitz ... and believe me that covers only 15% or less of the many problems YT provokes ethically. www.comatonse.com/minor/ |
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Post by funbun on Apr 24, 2021 19:11:46 GMT
Yeah, the whole reason I got into modular synths was I was getting copyright claims even with the paid music services. I said, "Forget this! I have two degrees in music performance. Time to put them to use." Since then I have not had any claim or strikes. The main thing is everything I do is completely original. The main takeaway is to become a complete artist. Wagner coined the term Gesamtkunstwerk. As I understand means total art work, total work of art, synthesis of art or something to that effect. In 1849 Wagner used this term to represent the ideal of unifying all works of art via theater. Boom fast forward to 2021, and that concept has finally been domesticated via the creator movement. In other words it's no longer enough to be a painter, musician, cinematographer, you have to bring together several art forms via motion picture. As much as people rant abut YouTube's short comings, the reality is they have nearly single handily set the stage for the greatest art movement mankind has ever seen. This is a world where every artist has to master several forms and house them into a single framework. In this case YouTube videos. |
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Post by MaxRichardson97 on Apr 25, 2021 15:35:57 GMT
One of my own tracks was copyright claimed against me - I'm still pretty baffled by that to this day
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Post by Lugia on Apr 30, 2021 2:45:56 GMT
Let's face it, this really gets at two related problems...one is, of course, YouTube itself. But the other is copyright law, as it was never intended to stifle creativity in the way it's being used at present. But when the entertainment industry started throwing money at politicians, that's the point where the balance tipped from being in favor of creativity and toward pure profitability.
It's also a rather "new" issue, given that when David Byrne and Brian Eno were working on "My Life in the Bush of Ghosts", there was NO method for clearing samples...or, for that matter, no real reason to do so. That was c. 1980/81, and there was a constant hellbroth of debate over HOW to deal with this new "problem" until, about five years later, you had the huge flap over M/A/R/R/S's hit "Pump Up the Volume". But when everyone wound up in court, the industry realized that "hey...there might be some MONEY here!" And they went for it, with all of the zeal and greed you'd expect. Before long, you had labels such as Polygram doing things such as setting up an office _specifically_ to hunt down James Brown samples because...hell, they paid money for that Starday/King catalog and they were gonna milk it for every cent they could get!
I would say that eventually the pendulum will swing back "the other way". But we don't even know what "the other way" IS, as that metaphorical plumb-bob has never swung in any other direction since this issue first emerged.
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Post by admin on Apr 30, 2021 3:21:47 GMT
One of my own tracks was copyright claimed against me - I'm still pretty baffled by that to this day I wonder whether NFTs will help preventing this from happening. Once you "mint" your original art you can then always proof your creatorship. Not to yank this thread into the quagmire of NFTs, Blockchain and Cryptocurrencies ... I might just open a new thread for that if people want to discuss that. |
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Post by pt3r on May 1, 2021 18:29:26 GMT
Youtube is losing it completely, just feeding the copyright trolls:
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Post by slowscape on May 6, 2021 17:19:32 GMT
It's possible the algo has seen the used footage before on other peoples videos, and so automatically flags it when it sees it again?
"people dancing" was an interesting one -- What does that have to do with monetization? You never got a release? lol
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Post by 101 on May 6, 2021 17:49:29 GMT
It's possible the algo has seen the used footage before on other peoples videos, and so automatically flags it when it sees it again? "people dancing" was an interesting one -- What does that have to do with monetization? You never got a release? lol I know right? That was the weirdest one yet! I think your right about the algorithm. I guess they must have one for the way people are dancing perhaps? Or something like that. I had another one that had someone juggling for a while but it didn't seem to mind that. |
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I tried both creating something specifically for 5.1 and also remixing some old tracks. The obvious next step is bring all of that together, but I think it will stop being either free or cheap at that point.
