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Post by admin on Nov 7, 2019 10:42:49 GMT
Wow, this is exactly how I made my patch notes! Yes it is much easier to note down this way and probably also easier to setup the patch from the notes. I just don't know if I ever want to recreate a patch this way
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Post by anton on Nov 7, 2019 12:51:11 GMT
Wow, this is exactly how I made my patch notes! Yes it is much easier to note down this way and probably also easier to setup the patch from the notes. I just don't know if I ever want to recreate a patch this way Yes, it's much more fun to recreate patches from graphic templates. However, now that I've filled all the slots in my 16 x 2 rack, drawing each wire may turn to be a mess at the end)
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Post by slowscape on Nov 7, 2019 15:07:54 GMT
I did not know this thread existed. I’m pretty fluent in python. I may be able to bring something to the table with the above project. As I have time I’ll see what I can do for us!
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Post by slowscape on Nov 11, 2019 18:25:01 GMT
Well I was looking to host bert's implementation and then was going to build a tool to make things easier on us, but unfortunately his script depends on certain packages that would require a VPS. I don't currently have a VPS
If aemodular.com runs on a VPS, I can help implement this tool there if needed. Or if anyone has some other ideas I am all ears. Just shoot me a PM.
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Post by rodney on Jan 27, 2020 3:35:10 GMT
I somehow missed this thread!
so great to see this.
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Post by Jihel on Sept 4, 2020 14:41:07 GMT
Patch symbols and patch editor are now available on their website : patchandtweak.com/Good way to share or ideas here, and there are even some ideas already shared in the patch editor! Great ! Symbols downloaded... (just for trying)
But I wonder if I'm really going to take some time to write down my patches... When it's recorded, I make another patch...
As musician, I think we can rebuilt a patch by memory, at least an approaching patch ... No ?
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Post by spacedog on Sept 4, 2020 16:05:18 GMT
Patch symbols and patch editor are now available on their website : patchandtweak.com/Good way to share or ideas here, and there are even some ideas already shared in the patch editor! Great ! Symbols downloaded... (just for trying)
But I wonder if I'm really going to take some time to write down my patches... When it's recorded, I make another patch...
As musician, I think we can rebuilt a patch by memory, at least an approaching patch ... No ? You've hit upon my philosophy: I like to spend a lot of time really understanding how a particular synth works (and works for me), then I can create and re-create patches to achieve the sounds that I have in my head. It takes a bit more time when things are hidden behind menus, rather than knobs. Then there are the weird architectures that take some mastering. It's time well spent, I believe, and I often spend hours just with one synth, turning what I want into a patch idea.
We're lucky with the AE Modular as almost everything is there for us on the front panels (the TOPOGRAF being one exception that comes to mind). I tried sketching patches and as they got more complicated, it didn't really seem an effective use of my time and the final drawings didn't add much to my ability to recreate them anyway.
As an aside, the book, Patch & Tweak is well worth a read, if you haven't already. The other two are less interesting to me, but are still very well-liked by many. I got one of the early copies, so I have a Patch & Tweak Eurorack blank panel that I stuck over my music area as I don' have any Eurorack
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Post by Jihel on Sept 4, 2020 16:49:59 GMT
You've hit upon my philosophy: I like to spend a lot of time really understanding how a particular synth works (and works for me), then I can create and re-create patches to achieve the sounds that I have in my head. It takes a bit more time when things are hidden behind menus, rather than knobs. Then there are the weird architectures that take some mastering. It's time well spent, I believe, and I often spend hours just with one synth, turning what I want into a patch idea.
We're lucky with the AE Modular as almost everything is there for us on the front panels (the TOPOGRAF being one exception that comes to mind). I tried sketching patches and as they got more complicated, it didn't really seem an effective use of my time and the final drawings didn't add much to my ability to recreate them anyway.
As an aside, the book, Patch & Tweak is well worth a read, if you haven't already. The other two are less interesting to me, but are still very well-liked by many. I got one of the early copies, so I have a Patch & Tweak Eurorack blank panel that I stuck over my music area as I don' have any Eurorack I adhere to your philosophy When we know very well our synth, patching becomes a sort of "routine", and indirectly we have more time to build the song we have in head...
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Post by stephen on May 17, 2021 20:03:39 GMT
I've spent a lot of time trying to find an optimal patch-notetaking method. My main goal is to create a visual record of my music that is just as beautiful to see as the audio recordings are to hear. But besides this, I also want a system that is easy to record, easy to follow, and allows me to reasonably predict what the sound would be. The most obvious way to create patch notes (and the way that is presented in the instructional material that comes with the Starter Kits) is to literally represent each module with a photo/render, and to draw little lines to show all the connections. This sort of literal representation is timely to draw and includes way too much information. To fix this, I used the following patch note system. System 1: Abbreviated LiteralIn the Abbreviated Literal system, I draw literal representations of each module as they would look in real life, but omit any unnecessary information. Pins outs are ordered exactly as they are in real life, but not all pins are drawn. Any omitted information is represented by a dotted line. I only include potentiometers that are relevant to the patch, and draw them in the positions they are found in the patch, rather than represent their positions as a percentage. Drawing these in a notebook lets me sit and mentally process the patches for a little bit before moving on to the next one. My music teacher in high school said I was too easily distracted. Slowing down to record my work has helped immensely. Drawing also lets me use the colors I want to use. Take a look at the "Random with Sample and Hold" Patch from the instructional material included in the Starter Packs represented in this Abbreviated Literal. System 2: Wolfgang Schaltung (modified) plaintextI briefly tried representing my notes as parseable script (much like to Patchbooks script) inspired by a post on another forum. But I found plaintext notes tedious, confusing, and drab. I also found I could not predict the sound of the patch in the slightest; I needed the help of visual representations. However, in a test I did with my wife, this system did seem to be the most precise for reproducing the patch. It seems that any abstraction (and therefore visual representation) of the patch creates ambiguity and confusion. Take a look at the same patch described in plaintext. System 3: Graph Theory
In an effort to make the patches more beautiful, I took inspiration from Graph Theory. The idea here is very similar to the Patchbooks method, with icons representing modules. However, I wanted to use more visually pleasing icons. The connection to graph theory comes from using an online graph editor to optimally place the modules to reduce wire crossovers. I think it has some potential. However, randomly throwing modules around in space offers little insights to signal flow. It was also impractical to go to a computer after every patch to find the "optimal" design. Here is the same patch using the "Graph Theory" design. Design 4: Information HighwaysThe patch notes design I currently use takes the beauty of the "Graph Theory" design and adds signal flow information. Modules are represented with shapes (Corners for CV or audio sources, curves for signal processors) and color (CV = orange, audio = cold colors, etc). As much as is possible, I try to show signals flowing from left to right. Modules are aligned vertically on the page as well. I found this patch notes system is compact, aesthetically pleasing, and relatively clear. It is also the quickest to draw. Take a look at the same patch drawn in this manner. And here is one more patch I made, with all of the notes I took to accompany the visual record.
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Post by stephen on May 17, 2021 20:05:52 GMT
I find the biggest issue with Patchbooks, at least on the surface, is the design it outputs. I wish there was someway to edit the template/layout/style of the Patchbooks design to create something more beautiful with it. Maybe one of you coders could draw up something new with the Patchbooks code?
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Post by leethargo on Jun 23, 2023 9:14:09 GMT
Well I was looking to host bert 's implementation and then was going to build a tool to make things easier on us, but unfortunately his script depends on certain packages that would require a VPS. I don't currently have a VPS
If aemodular.com runs on a VPS, I can help implement this tool there if needed. Or if anyone has some other ideas I am all ears. Just shoot me a PM.
I'm also quite impressed by that way of using GraphViz and love the output. Did you have specific ideas on added functionality, or did you plan to offer a text field with a button to produce the image? I do currently run a small VPS at Hetzner and am happy to (attempt to) host this. Feel free to reach out.
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