thundersound
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Post by thundersound on Aug 17, 2019 16:59:48 GMT
Hello, I finally got my first case with some starter modules:
I have an external source from eurorack, use an attenuator, which works well.
But the delay does not feel like expected.
But I do not have a midi signal to use as a clock.
do I need that clock pulse ?
If so, is it possible to create a clock without the midi in ?
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bahm
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Post by bahm on Aug 17, 2019 18:32:52 GMT
Hey,
No clock needed for the delay, but you can create a clock signal with a lfo.
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Post by Gaëtan on Aug 17, 2019 19:02:10 GMT
The delay is very straightforward. Can you clarify how you patch it and what you expect ?
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Post by spacedog on Aug 17, 2019 20:04:36 GMT
It sounds like you're wanting to tempo-sync the delay time to an incoming clock. I'm afraid that the DELAY is purely set by ear - yes, there is a CV input and it does affect the delay time, but you can't send a clock signal to the module, either from outside (e.g. via MIDI) or via an internal LFO or clock derived from an incoming MIDI signal (e.g. via the BEAT DIVIDER).
What I do is to turn down the feedback, set a mid-point on the mix and then tune the delay by ear, using a low number of repeats. Having done that, you can open up either/both the feedback and the mix to taste. It's easiest to do that with a short percussive sound. My apologies if I'm telling you something that you know already.
Apologies also if that isn't what you're trying to do. Just ask again and someone will certainly know the answer  |
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Post by robertlanger on Aug 18, 2019 7:29:35 GMT
Hi thundersound! Indeed, the DELAY module has no possibility for syncing; the CV input is only for modulating the delay time for chorus-like effects at short delay times. spacedog 's suggestion for setting the delay time by ear is excellent and the way to go here. Be aware, we are in the analog domain, things don't work so tightly synced by default as they do in a DAW - which is one of the charming points with analog modular stuff! But I understand the demand of course; I'm almost sure there will be an advanced delay module with sync possibilities in the future! |
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thundersound
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Post by thundersound on Aug 18, 2019 13:57:37 GMT
Thx all already for the first answers..
To be sure I will try to explain the situation and expectation:
- I have an eurorack sound (Make Noise STO) and FM that with 1 or 2 spikes, I get a rythem with those spikes and then a little break (it are 2 spikes in 7 parts, if you count 1 to 7 then on 1 and 3 there are spikes and I use a Make Noise Dynamix to filter away the sound in the non spiked turns).
- it makes it a kind of base drum.
- then it goes to the Master (as sound in) and that goes to a attenuator. and the out of the attenuator goes to the in of the Delay (LOFI)
The out of the Delay goes to the master out, that goes to a vca (with display) and then to my Rosie output and to my monitors.
When I start with the deleay I have the Delay and Feedback to 0, and the dry-wet in the middle position.
Then I turn up the delay, and it changes the sound a bit, it sounds like it is removing the distortion of the audio signal.
Then I turn up the feedback and I expect to get delayed spikes, but that does not happen.
Do I have a wrong expectation ?
When I turn the dry-wet knob further right the sound gets more and more faded. Fully wet I have nog spikes at all, but an almost flat line.
It looks like there comes no delay and he only outputs the dry part to out.
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Post by spacedog on Aug 18, 2019 14:32:22 GMT
Thx all already for the first answers.. To be sure I will try to explain the situation and expectation: - I have an eurorack sound (Make Noise STO) and FM that with 1 or 2 spikes, I get a rythem with those spikes and then a little break (it are 2 spikes in 7 parts, if you count 1 to 7 then on 1 and 3 there are spikes). - it makes it a kind of base drum. - then it goes to the Master (as sound in) and that goes to a attenuator. and the out of the attenuator goes to the in of the Delay (LOFI) The out of the Delay goes to the master out, that goes to a vca (with display) and then to my Rosie output and to my monitors. When I start with the deleay I have the Delay and Feedback to 0, and the dry-wet in the middle position. Then I turn up the delay, and it changes the sound a bit, it sounds like it is removing the distortion of the audio signal. Then I turn up the feedback and I expect to get delayed spikes, but that does not happen. Do I have a wrong expectation ? When I turn the dry-wet knob further right the sound gets more and more faded. Fully wet I have nog spikes at all, but an almost flat line. It looks like there comes no delay and he only outputs the dry part to out. My first thought would be to remove the external world for a short test. As always, my apologies if I'm saying something that you have already tried.
So, just patch up an oscillator into an ENV/VCA pair, with the ENV triggered by a steady source (e.g. LFO or LFO driving the TRIQ164). Just get a simple known pulse, then feed that through the DELAY and hear what happens. This way you know that the input is both getting to the DELAY and all is compatible.
Having done that, then you could add back in the external world, maybe starting with the input side - check all is OK. If yes, then try modifying the output part. All of that should highlight where there is a problem, then we can home in on that
As an aside, there was some discussion of what the various Ins/Outs on the DELAY do, here. |
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thundersound
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Post by thundersound on Aug 18, 2019 14:41:56 GMT
Thx all already for the first answers.. To be sure I will try to explain the situation and expectation: - I have an eurorack sound (Make Noise STO) and FM that with 1 or 2 spikes, I get a rythem with those spikes and then a little break (it are 2 spikes in 7 parts, if you count 1 to 7 then on 1 and 3 there are spikes). - it makes it a kind of base drum. - then it goes to the Master (as sound in) and that goes to a attenuator. and the out of the attenuator goes to the in of the Delay (LOFI) The out of the Delay goes to the master out, that goes to a vca (with display) and then to my Rosie output and to my monitors. When I start with the deleay I have the Delay and Feedback to 0, and the dry-wet in the middle position. Then I turn up the delay, and it changes the sound a bit, it sounds like it is removing the distortion of the audio signal. Then I turn up the feedback and I expect to get delayed spikes, but that does not happen. Do I have a wrong expectation ? When I turn the dry-wet knob further right the sound gets more and more faded. Fully wet I have nog spikes at all, but an almost flat line. It looks like there comes no delay and he only outputs the dry part to out. My first thought would be to remove the external world for a short test. As always, my apologies if I'm saying something that you have already tried.
So, just patch up an oscillator into an ENV/VCA pair, with the ENV triggered by a steady source (e.g. LFO or LFO driving the TRIQ164). Just get a simple known pulse, then feed that through the DELAY and hear what happens. This way you know that the input is both getting to the DELAY and all is compatible.
Having done that, then you could add back in the external world, maybe starting with the input side - check all is OK. If yes, then try modifying the output part. All of that should highlight where there is a problem, then we can home in on that
As an aside, there was some discussion of what the various Ins/Outs on the DELAY do, here. Thx spacedog, That will be for the future, because I have only the master / 2VCA and Delay (LOFI). To start with .. I wanted to make my AE rack for the drums and effects, starting with the delay.. So I have to order more modules, but that was only planned end of next month. But it would be a good thing to have some modules for testing en learning : - So I need LFO / 2ENV and VCO, someone have other advises for this batch ? This all means that I have to 'delay' my MultiFX order, but that is life.. |
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Post by bahm on Aug 18, 2019 18:08:12 GMT
In this case you could make a small patch on your eurorack and patch the last output of your chain to audio io 1 on ae. Then plug a pin cable from audio io 1 to audio io 2. From the 3.5 io 2 you go back to whatever you go normally with your eurorack.
If the sound goes thru without problems, you can patch the delay between the pin ios you used.
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thundersound
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Post by thundersound on Aug 18, 2019 18:17:19 GMT
Thanks all,
I found out that the problem was not in the Delay (LOFI) but in the connecting of the Master module..
I assumed some things that were'nt right.
I connected both connectors P1 and P6 to the 2 ribbons in the case.
Only one needed to be connected, since I corrected that, all is well for the Delay now.
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